From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:16 AM)

thank you for your persistence!!

From Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

Good morning!

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:17 AM)

Good Morning to all from Seattle.  Blessings to all

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 AM)

Yay - It's Day 143

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 AM)

Welcome Kayleen...….

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:18 AM)

Kayleen, congratulations on your new ties… So glad for new ties…

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:19 AM)

So Beautiful Kayleen.

From Cindy Bledsoe to Panelists and Attendees: (11:20 AM)

“our very cells sing the tales of our ancestors’ grief, whether or not we recognize the lyrics.”  — Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds - from new book by Thomas Hübl

From Maureen Edwardson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:22 AM)

Beautiful Cindy

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 AM)

Yes Kayleen. We all have lost our intimate contacts... But it's odd, yet the special nature of this pandemic that Zoom has me experiencing the most and some of the best friends I've ever had... Sadness that I lost my Mom to the pandemic. But I've gained dozens of net Chat friends....

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:25 AM)

Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller  itshould be required reading for our times

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:26 AM)

Kayleen, thank you so much.

From Annette Shaked to Panelists and Attendees: (11:27 AM)

Quick check - I had access challenges with the link - has the zoom link we've been using since the beginning changed/

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 AM)

Zoom issues this morning

From Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees: (11:28 AM)

No changes. We apologize for the delay and difficulties  getting in. We had Zoom technical problems this morning.

From carl sonnen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 AM)

Cosmic Zoom dissonance?

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 AM)

flatlining - feels like the right term

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:29 AM)

Yes- one writer has said that the west has lost whole octaves of grief…
Rilke, Pushing Through, translation by Robert Bly

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 AM)

After all these years, grief does us... it is a dance in life.

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 AM)

Thank you, Richard!

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:30 AM)

@Richard, thank you. Happy to be her despite the tech hurdles.

From Jim Garrison to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 AM)

Very sorry about the delay today, everyone. One of those bad Zoom days…Thanks for your patience.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:31 AM)

@Carl - LOL

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 AM)

@francis  Yes, it is challenging when few are willing to feel the pain.

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:34 AM)

that we had to wait and seek to achieve the embracing of this session seems appropriate - as we embrace the grief we share, and learn -again- how to honour it

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:37 AM)

@Francis - speak to us of grief/loss and non -attachment

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 AM)

@francis...you are gifted in expressing the feelings that I have trying to honor while walking in "this world"

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:39 AM)

It took me a year to drive the loss of my son and ten years to solve the riddle of our life and be at peace and radical acceptance; to know its perfection.

From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

Interesting about living in the ashes. I am Swedish and didn't know this.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:40 AM)

Grieve the loss not drive...

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 AM)

need community…but now we are all called up and challenged to find new ways to gather to share…this is why programs like humanity Rising and other online programs is that this is the only lifeline we have now...
Especially this coming holiday season, we need to create new rituals online of gratitude and grief

From Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:44 AM)

Love John O'Donohue.  "To Bless the Space Between Us"

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to Panelists and Attendees: (11:45 AM)

I experienced my first profound loss at the age of 18, when I lost my mother. My grief indeed took me into numbness to the point of where I was unable to cry until viewing a movie years later, The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman, above a slave over many years & her struggles that led to freedom. I cried like a baby. Now, crying comes easy for me. In the African American tradition, however, I was also blessed to have 3 mother figures--my mother, grandmother, & aunt. Each took on the mother role when the other transitioned to the other side.  I also grew up in the segregated south, where a sense of community was very strong & I felt held in my grief.

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:46 AM)

The deeper sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain- Khalil Gibran
This material on The Gates of Grief is part of Francis Weller’s magnificent book, The Wild Edge ofSorrow

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:47 AM)

@Cuf - I think - from my white distance that one of the treasures of black culture is the holding of community. White ‘privilege’ my be a compensation for connection?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to Panelists and Attendees: (11:48 AM)

may be…
I LOVE this reframing of derangement

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (11:53 AM)

You can find more about Frnacis’s ritual work through his organization Wisdombridge

From Shannon McArthur to Panelists and Attendees: (11:55 AM)

http://www.wisdombridge.net/

From Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:56 AM)

@Francis - what is your experience with holding grief with/for youngsters (teenagers)?

From Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (11:57 AM)

I had a sister who committed suicide when she was 21. I work with parents and teens
I love Francis’ wisdom.  Feels like an Indian village.

From Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (11:58 AM)

Thank you, Francis. Very powerful.

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

@Francis, the happy culture you mentioned is keeping us dissociated. What are we most afraid of seeing you think?

From Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

@Sarita, @Katrhyn, @Cuf… you are in my metta

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

@Francis  I am willing to join others in holding this space.  I am here.

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (11:59 AM)

.                          ..oOo.. ========================== Dear Chat PEOPLE and  panelists Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting after this session closes.  You can join the Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09 Meeting ID: 810 4561 3451 Passcode: 919541  .               ..oOo.. ==========================

From Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Yes, would appreciate Francis returning...thank you, Francis

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:00 PM)

Welcome Kate.  Beautiful.

From Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

@annelies - saritampatel@yahoo.com

From carl sonnen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:01 PM)

Thank you Francis for mentoring us in this time.

From Annelies Weijschede to Panelists and Attendees: (12:03 PM)

@Sarita Thank you

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

LOVE that definition of Tribe= people who know the same songs!

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:05 PM)

What a beautiful gift you give.....@Kate Bless you.

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

@ kate you are an angel. I am so moved by the generosity and beauty of your heart

From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:06 PM)

so beautiful

From Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:07 PM)

@cuff  this is the purpose of community. so grateful many have this to share. it is not a comparison - it is full. privilege Robbs one of community intimacy.

From Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:08 PM)

So intimate and comforting

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

@kate So Powerful.  for self and others.

From Barbro Esbjörnsdotter to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

The most beautiful service!

From Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:09 PM)

Is there a feedback or echo on Zoom with multiple voices?

From Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

@ Kate- your energy is so pure as is your voice. You are a true blessing.

From Richard Buckley to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

Yes there is distortion and feedback.

From Suzanne Marie to Panelists and Attendees: (12:10 PM)

So Beautiful ... you are a gift, so comforting

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:11 PM)

@Kate....@Kayleen  Beautiful vision!

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:12 PM)

I feel so blessed - at Findhorn we sing Taize on zoom 3x week. Also we have a threshold choir that is so healing. Thanks @Kate for bringing your mantra/songs. mmmmmm

From Lesley Southwick-Trask to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

transcendence

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

@kayleen thanks so much for this session on Grief and its profound messages.

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:14 PM)

We are here Now.  HeartFelt.  Blessings all.

From Jen Forti to Panelists and Attendees: (12:15 PM)

I’ll pledge!

From Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

@Kayleen, I will do just that. thank you

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

@kayleen - is that Iona cathedral in your picture? it seems so??

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:16 PM)

@Kayleen  Yes. Thank you.
Welcome Doug and Larry.  So vital and creative.

From Kayleen Asbo to Panelists and Attendees: (12:18 PM)

Rumi’s Caravan
Well of Greif by David Whyte
Grief
Halevi of Rome, Tis a fearful thing..

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:20 PM)

Stunning!

From Marilyn Hamilton to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

thanks deeply Kayleen, Francis, Kate, Larry, Doug

From sharon to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Thank you dear Community.

From Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

Thank you, Kate ♥

From Me to Panelists and Attendees: (12:22 PM)

"Hello" is a conversation game.   It's the safe, easy, and fun way to talk about living and dying and what matters most  https://wikidelphia.org/Common_Practice_%26_Hello_(the_game)

From Kate Hansen Hansen to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

It is a very deep well.

From Sarita Patel to Panelists and Attendees: (12:23 PM)

thank you everyone. I would love to share my cultural rituals with anyone. grief is a profound element of Indian culture.