From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:00 AM)

Happy Monday Everyone!

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:02 AM)

Yes, Jims internet is bad today

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:02 AM)

Does anyone remember the name of the book that was read yesterday about the 7 year olds experience of the bombing? Or where one can hear just that expression?
A NEW Banking/finance system

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:04 AM)

Top-down, bottom-up, from the right, from the left -- we need new institutional structures...    and :) a new scientific ontology that can contain all of this in a holistic way.....

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:05 AM)

@Kurt, I don't but I think Cynthia has that on her Twitter feed. I saw something last night. Do you have twitter?

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:07 AM)

the cat that knocked over the milk that inspired the creation of plastic… there ARE stories!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:07 AM)

SWITCHING, is a psychoscomatic, spiritual practice that works on changing habits, including PTSD. Described in Winning Ways For Living. If you want the description write to me, SuccessSystemsInternational@gmail.com

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:08 AM)

Well kekulees benzene ring model came from lucid dreaming. Almost all of Nikola Tesla's work came from Lucid dreaming. Call it imagination if you like. All pathbreaking scientific inshights and models that came up before its time was from the other dimentsion.

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:08 AM)

does "radical cooperation" imply "interdisciplinary" collaboration -- ?  are we "connecting different sciences to form a holistic whole"?

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:09 AM)

Yes thats what was potrayed in the movie "AVATAR"

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:09 AM)

silly scientist… ;)

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:10 AM)

Almost all of J.C.Bose work was the emotional intelligence of Plants.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:10 AM)

@Kurt - I do have several new banking references, I can look them up later, if you’d like.
Maybe it’s not just science - try life… LOL
Heart forward - nice!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:12 AM)

good for you /us…

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:12 AM)

If we don’t want to use a short Meditation/visualization or music to open Sacred Space. What do you think about Prompting participants to do so BEFORE the Session?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

@Kurt - sounds good, its all about time…

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

Good Morning from North Carolina woods.

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

Thanks for the idea Kurt.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

Kathryns WE create the time!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

@Valerie I’d like to hear more about what you actually do in the classroom!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

I do miss the coordination /focus Jim provides. I came in at 3 minutes past the hour and expected Jim to be speaking. Grateful for Valerie’s words but /and would have appreciated some way of activating the heart before engaging the brain.

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

I have seen a. Chat that folks are meeting in up after the sessions. Are you  doing that in Zoom, if so you have  a link?

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Develop the Heart and spirit and find out how much you mind opens up to a new world of a new science that goes beyond Newtonian Sience. We need integrated sciece and

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Jim

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Kurt is it done from the woods…rituals/and prayer before hand.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Thank you Valerie, that sounds as SCIENCE WITH HEART …!!!

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Jim has bad internet today, that’s why he chose to speak not so long today.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Yay Georg!! @Stanley, please link Georg inn!!

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:15 AM)

Yes Stanley, please send me the link

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

@Valarie can you please put a link in the chat to your website.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

We cannot depend on one man, amazing as Jim is, to focus our hearts and minds to be here Now. This is part of the learning…

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

@George Topic: ChatPeople Zoom Meeting Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime  Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

Thank you

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

@Bruce you have asked a good question. I wonder if combining disciplines is possible?

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

https://heartforwardscience.org/

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

Georg - send me your email address stan@communitymagic.org

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

Join us at heartforwardscience.org

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

@Rachel, more than possible, combining disciplines is part of the work, imho

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

@Rachel @Shannon - Yes that is the current path

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:18 AM)

@Rachel -- well, I have spent a lifetime studying that question....  Here's a review: https://ubiverse.org/posts/the-bridge-across-consciousness

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:18 AM)

The Dali Lama’s birthday present he gave us all the film Infinite Potential: the life of and ideas of David Bohm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpurdHKpb8&t=7s

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:19 AM)

CONGRATULATIONS!!
have a great birth!

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:19 AM)

@Bruce thanks!

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:19 AM)

Thank you Anna !!!
Thanks a lot for the links of the Dalai Lama's brithday !!!

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:20 AM)

Congratulations Anna

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:20 AM)

Anna, I loved when you said to reduce the suffering of the orld or at least not to add MORE !!!

From Harriett Crosby to All panelists and other attendees: (11:20 AM)

Valerie, I want to know what you felt, experienced when you were up in the canopy of the old growth forest. Fascinating.

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:22 AM)

I would be happy to share more about my experiences. Contact me through Heart Forward Science (https://www.heartforwardscience.org).

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:22 AM)

thank you, Valerie

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:23 AM)

Another film I would add from the Kogi-and indigenous people from the Heart of the planet. Movie-Aluna- https://vimeo.com/54434492
 https://vimeo.com/54434492

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:23 AM)

Aluna is a great movie!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:23 AM)

thank you, Georg, for setting the default for the chat to All Panelists and attendees. I am grateful to have us all on the same page!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:24 AM)

Value driven and more!! Great!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:26 AM)

value coalition… valuable concept!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:26 AM)

@Malini let's connect! I'm at heartforwardscience@gmail.com

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:26 AM)

@Bradley - I’d love to know more specifics…

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:27 AM)

the imaginal cells gather in small groups, attracting more cells to them…

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:27 AM)

@Shannon - nice!

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:27 AM)

Wonderful ideal about the kitchen sharing.

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

@Bradley, brilliant!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

@shannon I'd love to learn more about that

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

butterfly science!!

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

iT SOUNDS GREAT bRADLEY !!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

Loving this - sustainability - values - balanced and - COOKING!!! Yaaaay!! Simple and easy to understand

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:29 AM)

but they eat!! we all eat… great basic place to start!
foundational

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:29 AM)

WOW !!!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

@Bradly how is this kitichen initative funded?

From Yasmina Groenstein to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

@DoreenTanenbaum and to you all - "Krishnamurti, Bohm and the Edges of Transcendence" sat August 29, on www.InfinitePotential.com ❤

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

Absolutely!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

@Bradley we’d love links…

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

nusawise.org

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

@Yasmina - thank you!!!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

elder women who have cooked all their lives are drawn into the learning process.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

tHANK YOU bRADLEY !!!

From Jude Asphar to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

links for Bradley, please!?

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

nusawise.org

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

Thank you Yasmina! will watch.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

A collector of LOVE STORIES !!! hA, HA, HA,  i LOVE THAT !!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

@Valerie - thank you

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:32 AM)

One great book on a new way for businesses to create an ecosystem and leave the current systems for exchanging value behind. Thomas H. Greco, Jr - "The End of Money and the Future of Civilization" Tom has been studying money and writing books for over 30 years. See my page summarizing Tom's resources here: https://wikidelphia.org/Thomas_Greco_-_Beyond_Money

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:32 AM)

hello, Goddess’ Girl. Well met. Thank you for coming.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:32 AM)

That's women's Avalon !!!!

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

@Elizabeth, why Crete?

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

yes, yes, yes

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

It's true that we need to go back to rituals !!! They bring the healthy dimensión of our human and divine nature !!! They're the link !!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

@Stan - thanks!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

you have the background necessary to give foundation to your work. do not see yourself as less than you are.

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

@Stanley thanks for the book

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

YES !!!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

Yes! deep listening

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

science is head - you are heart.
we need both

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

@shannon -- Yes! And we all need both.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

actually, you are both, Elizabeth

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

Deep listening to discover and 'hear' the needs. Yes!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

And yes!! A larger collective ritual. We're working on it!! Thank you Elizabeth

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

How about the UN Sustainable Development Goals as the foundation for a values coalition?  http://origin.org/mom/

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:37 AM)

Braiding Sweetgrass, is an awesome book supporting this spirit in nature and following the indigenous ways.

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Robin is a friend and colleague who has been an important support for me in doing this work. Braiding Sweetgrass is truly amazing.

From Yasmina Groenstein to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

@DianeSkidmore - your joyfull spirit! keep yourself in that shinny space beautiful one! ❤

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Thank you Kurt, will help my study of the indigenous way

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

@Bruce will ck it out. Not sure of UN’s effectiveness

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

we have been taught by dystopian movies to expect this societal turmoil - and it gives “permission” for bad behaviour - we need better stories to adhere to!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

Hello Yasmina :-D and thank you xxxxx

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

This should resonate with you and the extreme value of the Feminine. SACRED INSTRUCTIONS, bY Sherri Mitchell. THE ABSOLUTE BEST BOOK ON BLENDING INDIGENOUS WISDOM FOR LIVING THE LIFE WE WERE ALL MEANT TO LEAD - one of compassion and peace. Using Science, Regenerative agriculture, Feminine/Masculine, Spirituality, and Societal change...

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

@Bruce - I’d love to hear your thoughts on my Resilient values word - Stan did a page with much of it o his website.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

yes, Kurt, yes

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

@Shannon - Manners Maketh Man!! Simple (like cooking hahaha) xxx

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

If you have questions for the panel about how we can bring together the infrastructures of intellect/analytical and heart/spirit, please put them in the Q&A chat. Once the discussion gets going, I will not be able to follow this chat -  it goes too quickly!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

sure, simple!
thanks, Valerie!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:41 AM)

Lovely Valerie - well said - good planning!!

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:41 AM)

@Kurt thanks for the book

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:41 AM)

@Kathryn -- I was studying your web page last night -- https://www.bridgetopartnership.com/

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:42 AM)

@Bruce LOL

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

FUTURIST thinking: How would we design a FULL world society modeled after Mother Nature?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

I’ve tried to create a way to actually measure if we are walking our talk to show clearly the difference in values generates a difference in behavior

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

I HEAR THAT!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Daniela - Yes, it IS possible. Like you say - maybe harsh to begin but- we just gotta do it!!! As soon as possilble!!1

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

@Kurt Resilient values Set…

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Thank you Daniela

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Such a beautiful Spirit and clarity Daniella!! Gracia!

From Jude Asphar to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

more information on what Bradly is doing …or did I miss it?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:45 AM)

I love Radical Collaborations!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:46 AM)

@Jude, Bradley is cooking and doing science in kitchens (in short) bringing people together over food
through food
and not complete!

From Jude Asphar to All panelists and other attendees: (11:46 AM)

yes, thank you Shannon, does it have name or link?!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:46 AM)

Radical collaborations on every level - young and old; all cultures; scientific AND spiritual - all together!!! And ooooooh yes, look for the positives first!!

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

For CHAT PEOPLE -- I feel like writing a little "proposal" for you guys on how we could do this together....

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

Please do, Bruce!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

@Bruce - go for it!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

Count me in!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

do it Bruce - ready for tonight?

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

today!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

Bruce, we’re in. :)

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

evidence based science has been proven to be very limited. just because science does not have a vocabulary or the instruments to measure many phenomena , it dosent mean those phenomena dont exist.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

It is by crossing boundaries that we get real innovation and real interdependence

From Teo John to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

@Bradley, is there a website for Nusa knowledge exchange ? In what capacity could we contribute towards your work in Bali ?

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

Yes, service of society.

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

@Bruce I wonder if we can use existing structures or if we must create something new?

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

science is for us to learn about a holistic system that works - and how to fix it once we break it.

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

@Teo, put your question in the Q&A

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

CHAT PEOPLE I can write it in 10 minutes -- so I will be ten minutes late for the meeting!!  (something like that)

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

@Bruce, please email it to me via Ubiverse, would love to see it. thank you.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

It is time to spread the power - and each take up their own.

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

The question needs to be sacred and respectful

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

The Iroquois Nation had one elected by the women!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

benevolent and wise - a circle of elder women

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

Living Values: The first two Values instructed are Love and Peace.  All the other Values are generated from these.   Developing quality Character traits is vitally important for all levels of society. When will this be emphasized?  There is one program, http://LivingValues.net that has over 90% reduction in violence in a Thai Refugee Camp within 2 years! The woman who developed it then went to Johannesburg, RSA and designed a program for street people - similar results!  An awesomely effective PARENTING book is: Nurturing with Love and Wisdom, Disciplining with Peace and Respect by Diane Tillman.  What will you do with this information?

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

beautifully put bradley we do need philosopher citizens. and that will happen when humanity rises into heart centreredness.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

What do you do when the citizens decide NOT to get educated to NOT change their minds? That is what is happening in the US fostered by deliberately brainwashing media

From Yasmina Groenstein to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

@Malini -Yup! ❤...it will get there..

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

@Bruce - Brilliant! Looking forward to it xxx

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

A place where scientists have struggled with these issues is the study of complementary and alternative medicine, energy healing — things that “work” but work through integrating multiple systems at the individual and household levels, and the possibilities for measurement create many opportunities and challenges.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:51 AM)

Bradley Parrish: yes, dissemination matters! How are we achieving a broadcast of knowledge? Need philosopher citizens, know how to use knowledge benevolently, citizenship that is benevolent and wise, outer world, what of the inner knowledge? Equally valid. (Think indigenous?) radical half in democracy for humans, market based societies, how do we use these to have market based interventions that yield positive social impacts? no natural law of the market that makes them work in harmony with what the world really needs, internality by design, sustainability entrepreneurs, creating new org forms, new models, new products, new services, what happens when these are intended to support contribute to a longer term good through market placed enterprises, market/value driven, balanced competing interests, internally developed tools, heuristics to balance these, not seen in other entrepreneurs,Maximizeing is not balancing, understand that scientific abstract knowledge is one type of knowledge and another is hands on

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:51 AM)

thank you, Bradley!
intention is the root, and actions inform and transform

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:52 AM)

Oh but they Are trained - how can we monetize this??? becomes the intention and the distortion.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:52 AM)

Thanks Bradley - great stuff!! Philosopher Citizens!! (All ages!!)

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:53 AM)

The closed clubs and royal societies of science and science halls of fame need to be completely reworked and rethought. they are closed institutions who sit in egos and decide what is acceptable to science and what is not . unfortunately its too late by the time suffecient momentum is built for them to rework thier ideas.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:53 AM)

Anna, you’ll love the awesomely effective PARENTING book is: Nurturing with Love and Wisdom, Disciplining with Peace and Respect by Diane Tillman.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:53 AM)

@Valerie - Fear the great distorter!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

science needs to be re-grounded in soil and in kitchens.

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

The hidden issues for biomedical lab research is the struggle to find technicians with “good hands”.  No one wants to really look at what that means.  It relates to love of the cells, animals, plants, whatever living system is being studied.  And this is why some “true” experiments are hard to replicate.  There is no openness yet to looking into what is the secret sauce, since the phenomenon is so widespread.

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

“The Perspectives on Indigenous Issues: Essay on Science, Spirituality Partnerships, and the Power of Words by Illarion Lary Merculieff.  Scientist not honoring the indigenous out look was excellent book

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

ty, @Cheryl. interesting

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (11:55 AM)

Yes!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:56 AM)

@Cherly - YES - this is an issue in medicine as well. This is how I choose a doctor!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:56 AM)

rimary rule of science : question everything. we need to open up science and make it more opensource. The more famous you are the more difficult it get to accept a point of view different than yours.
Completely agree with you daniela.

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

@Kathryn — in med known but often not talked about explicitly, apart from first year “doctoring” classes.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

YES !!!

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

Vandana, was on HR, brilliant!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

Yet women are the last ones sent to school for an education.

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

Ava Dana Shiva: Earth Democracy; Soil not Oil (books).

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

@Cheryl and NOT taught

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

@Daniela:  Hola from La Junta, Aysen.  Very nice to here of your work and your views of how a society can move forward through imagination. I have been involved n tree planting projects all around the world for many years.  We have  regenerated the nature on our parcel of land here in Aysen, which was a former cow and sheep pasture, by planting 1200 local trees over the past ten years and now have a food forest and permaculture farm. This year we are creating a middle story by removing the chilco bushes that returned and at the moment are planting 130 smaller trees that can exist in the shade of the larger ones. We now have around 35 local tree species and many bushes and such local vegetation as nalca. All our trees have comes as gifts from a CONAF tree planting program. This is our facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/paulandkonomisgarden/

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

In response to the activity in the Humanity Rising chats, the ChatPeople have been gathering after each Humanity Rising session. Additionally we have been communicating though an email list, now with over 50 members. In order to help make our interaction more useful, I have been publishing a summary of each day's session including the Humanity Rising Chat, the ChatPeople's Chat and a link to the recorded ChatPeople's Zoom session and a link to the day's Humanity Rising recording. Write to me and I will send you a link to the after session call and add you to the ChatPeople's email list. And Thanks to Jim and all the people and presenters at Humanity Rising. The Chat People love you. --  stan@communitymagic.org

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (11:59 AM)

Vandana Shiva

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:59 AM)

@elisabeth which adivasi area were you in.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

Dear Stan I want to thanki you publically for the work you're doing sooo generously !!!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

Well didnt want to say this here but since you brought it up,  but the christian missionaries are still systamatically destroying the adivasi ways of life throuh conversions .

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@Elizabeth can you put that into the chat?

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amarkantak

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

@Stan - yes agree with Raquel!! Big thank you!!!

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me too

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please can she put those books in the chat, because we couldn’t all see the names

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Original instructions Melissa k nelson edited

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:02 PM)

If science is elitist then there is western science and eastern science.

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Marginalized and endangered worlviews Lidia guzy
Staying alive vendana shiva

From Elizabeth Erdmann  to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Braiding sweetgrass kimmerer

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

conscious collaborative creative - working together - in a fair way!! Wonderful!!

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Thank you, Elizabeth

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:)

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Seeking Solution rather than debating… less rhetoric and more action as Bruce would agree.

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@StanleyPokras and Jim and George -🙏❤ for your initiative and for facilitating the extended dialogue after sessions!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:04 PM)

More than science a scientific attitude is what needs to be taught in schools, where children are taught to question every thing, and not punished for asking sometimes akward questions. and its ok for teachers to say "I dont know , but Im willing to explore with you"

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:04 PM)

For a deeper connection with others doing Zoom/FaceTime/etc.:  First, Open sacred space -  ask people to pause like before eating a meal to focus on the highest good of the meeting - at least 5-9 full breaths.  Second, place your hand forward to the camera, not covering it - more like reaching toward the other person/people to touch their palm. A deeper connect will occur. Keep it up… then put the hand down.  Third, keep the connection with the heart and then speak.

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Bradley, fyi, your sound varies in intensity. sometimes fades out completely but comes back again.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:05 PM)

Values are such a multi-leveled conversation. How we work together stems from three basic systems that are tacit and so invisible. Getting the foundations right allows for a path forward or not. this is a very big discussion that is not being had!

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minimum values!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:05 PM)

Thriving Life for everyone, includes Nature.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

Foundational values

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

We're gonna have to be really clever tho as - soooo many people on the planet are going to b wary of any ritual based decisions. Maybe use ritual to create the collaborative conscious new ways and THEN present them to the rest of the world

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@Kurt - yes - but with the wrong foundation you will never get there - that’s the issue, IMO
Intents: protection; improvement; life - very different!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:08 PM)

Kathryn, I’ve worked it on podcasts with Pakistan and India, and America. It may not work with everyone…. It spreads though

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The indigenous ways are focused on Mother Earth/Gia and rituals of respect and gratitude.Over time the indigenous way are still stable.  Science discoveries are great but changing only because a  fractual puzzle piece.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

Kurt we should actually talk.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

yes

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

Kathryn Oh, yeah. Talking beats texting - cause t. Holds no context.

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:10 PM)

Science needs to connect with the common people and find ways to make science, simple and accesible to all. This includes enabling all people to have access to the same high standard of education. For too long the education has been slanted to the richest and in many countries, the value of a person is seen as the letters MBA, BSc etc. that follow their names. This creates the imbalance and separation of society to the rich and the poor.

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The Yogis did science through meditation, shamans do science through experimentation

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We need that the Epystemology of Science needs to add athe new narrative of Rituals, Community Building and Heart Coherence !!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:11 PM)

what a radical idea!!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:11 PM)

Magical

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that is  what shamans do!!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:12 PM)

Brings more intuition

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YaaaaY!!

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That sounds great to me !!! And very needed !!!

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@ Kathryn yes.  And doctors and alternative medicine practitioners are also scientists experimenting with their heart connections..

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Ritual is fine as long as it is not dogmatic

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At least the question is coming from the right place in humility

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So much of our cultures themselves, are rituals that we don’t recognize as such.

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We already do that but - we're all the 'silly' or 'airy fairy' folk!!

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so much wisdom in this chat!

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Mysticism and science are coming closer together

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@Anna, excellent point.

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Unity is also the second of The Four Sacred Gifts, a great book by an elder, Anita Sanchez.

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Wow! intention-focused, gratitude-based science. Love it, Valerie

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Absolutely Kalia, clean our teeth, sit down to eat everyday, go to bed at night in the manner that we do it, and even the everyday shower is a mean of ritual of life !!!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:13 PM)

Science dosent have the tools or the vocaublary to explain the force and power of gratitude. Will share with you Valerie what I have found , understood and been revealed about how this energy of gratitude works.

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Actually, science is only now beginning to accept that prayer works so - maybe science can 'prove' that gratitude works too. Think it may already be done!!

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Spirit fills all the wholes in science.

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We need to think about how knowledge, innovation, connection, intuition, experimentation have come together in the crucible of managing patients with covid.  Such rapid change.  And also the mystery of who lives and who does not.

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QED dosent consider this as fringe.

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@ Diane, to your point - a friend sent me this from her christian relative’s FB post yesterday saying how saddened they were by it: “Do NOT follow your heart, Follow the conviction of the Holy Spirit.”

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Beginning stages of connecting the sciences -- so true, and so important!

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I have wonderful stories of the power of prayer from my cancer healing journey

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:15 PM)

yes if the outcome is a validation of a scientific principle, than intution can be validated through the results that it produces.

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Gratitude is related to Spiritually and scientists do not accept spirituallityu in their profession and therefore thankfulness souns also weird !!! Let's say awchward!!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:15 PM)

oh, Lane, that’s so badly dogmatic! Sorry to hear that - I’m sure they mean well… little do they know.

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@Lane - how do you think they connect to the Holy spirit? That would be a wonderful conversation - words...

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@Valerie I agree we need to speak out more!! if we wish to bring others along with us we’ve got to have the courage to speak out!!!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:15 PM)

The problem with science is the concepts of hypothesis.

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Most deep and powerful scientific discoveries have originated with intuitions by creative scientists!

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:15 PM)

Science therefore put a limit on knowing by not including intuition. Maybe in the future we would be able to detect.

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@Shannon   I was shocked.

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Connecting the science of the mind with the actions of the body, through such activities as tree planting, cultivation, school gardens etc brings the practitioner into contact with the universe and the earth itself. Grounding while elevating. Ancient spirituality came though connectivity with the natural world.

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Your sounds goes away Bradley !!!

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Science can EVOLVE too.

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Larry Merculieff-Native Knowing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6cmKeRV3Z0

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People experiencing these intuitions are hungry for this information of different validation . . . but science may not be ready for it.  Please share for those who are waiting . . .

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@Lane - as I've said many times (and it's a bit scary here) but - Morality is doing what you know is right, regardless of what you're told. Religion is doing what yu are told, regardless of what you know is right! Terribly terribly sad indeed.

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Through all of ancient History the Priests of ancient civilisations were actually scientists.

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Just as we and our society evolve and let go of the old…

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I believe that Gregg Braden is a good example of someone who is using science to validate

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Famous quote from Wilhelm Roentgen - who invented x-rays.  What asked, "What did you think when you say that evidence on your screen?" -- he replied, "I thought nothing.  I investigated!"

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@Kathryn. That exactly what I asked my friend. it would take further conversation.

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Science Will HAVE TO EVOLVE, SURELY kURT !!!  Like everything else, and like all of us !!!

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Yay Valerie I understand.

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I don’t think you need credibility in the scientific world anymore. It should not be your criteria

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Science can transcends through the power of story. Ancient knowledge was passed on this way and it is stll the best way to connect with the masses.

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We must trust… our intuition, women and men> know what we know from our centers?

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:18 PM)

You have to follow your bliss and step out and be uncomfortable.

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Do read " Molecules of Emotion:" by Candece.B.Pert.

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Then with courage to offer it up.

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I bet if one was connected to brain scans during intuitive experiences, it could be seen.  The trick is, of course, the timing because intuition is often spontaneous.  But intuition, in its advanced stages of development, can be intentional.  So, those who are in the practice of intentional tuning inward while receiving brain scans, changes in the brain could probably be seen, such as a more activated right brain.

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It dosent get more scientific than this.

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ancient knowledge is buried in dogma… how do we excavate it?

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@Malini, excellent book!

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The education system fails when lack of money prohibits everyone from participating in an equal manner.

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:19 PM)

Wisdom is relative and changes with the times.

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Thank you Kat, big fan of Larry Merculieff

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@Diane   Yes. Keep in mind this came from the wife of a minister - both kind people (I’ve met them) and so found it doubly stressful.

From Raquel Torrent to All panelists and other attendees: (12:19 PM)

Credibility is the key, but why is more credible a scientific experiment thatn a meditation experience if it can be validated by many ????

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Did Gaia & her Wisdom have to prove her credibility?

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right!

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CHAT PEOPLE -- I wrote a one-page proposal just now, and I will sent it to the C-P mailing list.   :)

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I also think we have to pray that people will have experiences that they cannot explain which makes them seek answers! we need to encourage people to share their mystical experiences.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:20 PM)

Absolutely @Bradley - wisdom as a word is 'great' everywhere. However, our western culture worships youth and we no longer nurture or encourage or even talk about wisdom!!

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It is through story and connectivity with the natural world that we came into a 'semi conscious; being

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@Peg, it was /is intrinsic and has been disputed and discarded throughout patriarchy
@Bruce, you are inspirational!

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:21 PM)

Cleverness without wisdom is the source of our current mess

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:21 PM)

The idea of the scientific experiement and hypothesis is that if it is correct than every time it is applied you should get the same result. The problem is the result is often lost in the conflict and egos of the vocabulary used by different people.

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@Bruce Fantastic!!!

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Science needs to be humble

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Great Bradley !!! Transmit it to the other scientists!!!

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heartforwardscience.org - Valerie
nusawise.org - Bardley

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:22 PM)

Verna Allee had a wonderful model that looked at the levels of information or which wisdom was one.

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:22 PM)

Wisdom as explained in the Upanishad is the use of Knowledge, facts, data, information in bringing about the necessary results for the benefits of the whole.

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@ Rachel I agree....  science is often much slower at observing reality.  Science is only just now validating things that mystics have known for thousands of years.  I think the average person may need the validation of credibility to help them make the leap, but for those who already have the awareness, they don't need it.

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@Malini. Perfect of course!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:23 PM)

Little children are usually aligned. aLREADY, LATER THE CHANGES OCCUR.

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@Anna - TOTALLY!!! Teach meditation in school!!

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Absolutely, as I said that is a ritual in itself !!! Brush your teeth with consciousness and you may be a real scientsist making a experiment and at the same time a real spiritual practitioner for the hi9gh consciousness of the momento !!!

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some schools already do that - - very expensive schools hahaha

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We also need to create a new form of journalistic education, one that enables the journalist to understand what it is the scientist is talking about. The journalist often does not understand what the scientist is saying and he therefore cannot properly inform the people as to what the scientist is saying.

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nusawise.org -- shows as registered but not yet active

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:24 PM)

Teach how to live!!! Yes Please!!!

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:24 PM)

Liberal arts education used to teach both.  And then it was discredited for not doing enough business training…

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@Malini Verna was very close. We created a ‘map’ applying TQM tools  to that
Only story has all of the parts - story is complete - that’s why it works

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How might scientists respect indigenous wisdom? What specific ways can both be valued?

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Yes Cheryl, it is such a pity !!!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:25 PM)

I’ve got to teach mediation in the ghettoes of Los Angeles Ince the mid 1970’s. It works in academics and sports, Meditation and the Ultimate Performance in Sports was presented that the 84 Olympic Scientific Congress. Connect with me for integrating it throughout our society. I presented it at the UN, Delhi Development Authority, etc. Lets spread it more.

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@Kurt Yes!!

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:27 PM)

Yes Kurt!  Sports is the one place where any approaches, beliefs, practices are proven in performance.  What an excellent crucible for innovation, given how the society worships sports performance.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:28 PM)

Happy place-Uruguay, yes?

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If we live as a humanity with scientific wisdom of sustainable coexistence we will live very differently

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The Greater Good Science Center makes a good start towards bringing the needs of people together with the understandings of science: https://wikidelphia.org/Greater_Good_Science_Center_(GGSC)

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:28 PM)

@Kaia.  So well said.

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (12:29 PM)

Which country is Anna from?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:30 PM)

She is in Uruguay now.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:30 PM)

Cheryl, the results in sports made it understandable in all the other fields. That why I moved from founding the Institute of Sports Psychology in Bombay in 82, to forming Success Systems International for all the other fields.

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Elizabeth…in Onandoga country?

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@Bradley - that is my definition of business...

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Elizabeth and I are in Onondaga County

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:30 PM)

Kurt: thank you.

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A true Karma Yogin.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:31 PM)

@Bradley - who can we connect with you? the website does not seem to wrk.

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bradley.nusa@gmail.com

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:32 PM)

Kurt-Wonderful work and also following your Bliss

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bdpmail@yahoo.com
That was Bradley's email

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:32 PM)

Have you read Manley P. Halls classic book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages. He was awesome friend.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:33 PM)

Indigenous know what they know from tens of thousands of years of learning how to be in relationship with their places, animals, plants, other tribes.

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@Kurt, great work by MPH

From Elizabeth Erdmann  to All panelists and other attendees: (12:34 PM)

Decolonizing trauma work by Renee linklater

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:34 PM)

I am SonLight Sparkling on the Waters, named by MOM, and can only be/accept it because I share it with all of You.

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Yes on decolonizing

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@Valerie- THANK YOU!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:35 PM)

names are really important - it is what humans do.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

translation of jargon and esoteric concepts into language that people can understand!!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

Gallelio showed that what is percieved scientific fact can be changed when new understanding emerges.

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Beautiful Bradley!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:38 PM)

@Bradley - making the subtext obvious and then address that - yes

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@Shannon - we share that name MOM in some very creative ways....   :)

From Crystal to All panelists and other attendees: (12:38 PM)

Aristotelian triangle:  meaning created by work, author/scientist/artist and viewer/reader/interpreter takes into account context and the other variables you mention

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:38 PM)

So...… Bradley's use of cooking as a way in to science was great - another area is economy - science and economy can both be simple when explained by an understanding person

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Clarifying subtext might just be a way to address the ‘false thinking’ being practiced here in the states.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

MOM is known to all by many names!

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

Facts that have been shown not to be totally accurate: 1. The structure of the atom, the structure of the DNA, the structure of the universe, the science of how the body heals its self.  The real science of the Heart and so many more. The science and facts about sugar, fats, carbohydrates which have all been proven to be different from what scientists have told us.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

Magic (or Miracles) in Ordinary Moments = MOM

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

Webs of meaning...

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

basic parts of the story we are weaving together
in the kitchen  and in small groups everywhere

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@Crystal -- meaning triangle: http://originresearch.com/sd/sd4.cfm#3

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What is a pathway of both science and indigenous wisdom might cooperate/collaborate. in the 50th Anniversary Celebration of the Wilderness Act in the US a few years ago, the keynote speaker began by boldly admitting, “WE HAVE FAILED!” then he went on to list several ways the agencies were warned by natives that management decisions that were being made would not lead to the healthy balance of all reactions in the wilds. First part of solving a problem is admitting that one exists. If scientists only see their way as the right way, then there is no known problem.

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what is Bradley’s location?

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

IMAGINAL/INTENTIONAL CELLS we are!

From Elizabeth Erdmann  to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

bali

From Georg Boch to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

iNDONESIA

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

MOM plays with us - and we are all a part of the play and science shows us the ways

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Small is beautiful. Local is wonderful.

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Indonesia, that’s right -thank you George

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thank you Dani!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

\Come to the after party that Bruce hosts, about 30 or LESS minutes after.
Stanley hosts not bruce

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

actually, it’s Stan who hosts! but yes, come!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

address?
for the after party?

From Jim Garrison to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

What is the link for the after party?

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

stan@communitymagic.org

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

Thanks Kurt for invite…after the session have commitment daily.

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:43 PM)

chat people zoom: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81045613451?pwd=S1JxSE9WNzJQV2JKSXhhaFZ3Wng1UT09#success

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:43 PM)

sorry, Doreen, we’ll hold space for you till you can join us…

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I can join immediately after for a while.

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:43 PM)

Will try to change things…wonderful group

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

we need to respond to the interests of the moment… at the beach, what is it that sparkles in the sand? What is sand made of…

From Mushin Patric Roberts to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

Mushin I am joining conversation

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

conversation is open to all, and welcome!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

@Valerie contact Stan - stan@communitymagic.org

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

I have always found that asking the right question can activate the curiosity of the person being asked and with that comes the excitement of connectivity.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

You always have to start with where people are..

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

yay, Dani!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

@Paul Yes!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

Indigenous are dying right now, especially in the Amazon. How might we accelerate valuing their wisdom to keep them healthy and safe from COVID? Emergency calls for drastic measures. Can science as a tool move fast enough now?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

wonderful @Dani- to keep them always interested in earning!!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

The kids TV show that was called Beckman's World was a lovely introduction to science. Also Bill Nye the Science Guy gave young people an intro to science. Cosmos, too...

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

LEARNING!!! (aaagh hahaha)

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

oh, Kat, good question - and maybe part of the answer is to barricade them… to save them harmless from the greater world.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

And thank you Anna - fallible and imperfect human beings!! (moi hahaha)

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

@Kat - what questions….

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

Insightful conversation. Thank you All , especially to the panelist!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

use science to give solid foundation to our natural knowing… find the validation for our intuition by following our curiosity

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

I got to teach classes for K-12 teachers PEAK PERFORMANCE PRACTICES FOR ACADEMICS AND SPORTS - integrating the holistic approach,. I got a name for a EASY meditation practice that I taught - Roller Coaster Fingers from a Kindergarten teacher. It’s described ion Winning Ways for Living. :)

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Bradley: Use science that is enhanced by our inner knowledge

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

One of the first areas to be saved/worked on is The Amazon!!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

What will remain for scientists to study in the rainforest if those who know it intimately are lost in these COVID years? If the rainforest is destroyed? If the mysteries are vanished before scientists might uncover them?

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

Got Happiness class into a Barrio  Middle School the last years that I taught, kids are still doing the homework. :)

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

you make sacred the things that you pay attention to.

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

@Kurt:  I think that Andrew Newberg used that as a research meditation intervention for neurotheology research

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

@Kurt LOL how wonderful!!!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

Science and religion are both ways for people to make sense of reality... people like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin made the importance of both to his audience.

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:50 PM)

Thanks all the panelists for this very important  conversation. Covid 19 has illuminated just how far science has to travel to reach the common man and woman on the street.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

Thank you All!!!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

@Valerie I love where you are going

From Malini Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

Thank you jim and the panelists

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

Thank you for an awesome conversation!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

thank you Valerie, and all

From Elizabeth Erdmann  to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

Thank all of you !

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:51 PM)

Scintillating conversation indeed.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:52 PM)

truth pursued, rather than possessed!!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:52 PM)

Kat, The Dark Crystal movie shows that Wisdom will never be lost even when the planet is Dark… :) Always look on the bright side of life and Work as you do for it!

From Valerie A. Luzadis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:52 PM)

Thanks, everyone!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:52 PM)

Thank you!!! Great panel!

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:52 PM)

the grass is a great teacher....

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:53 PM)

and the dew does more than make your feet wet!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:53 PM)

Gracias, Adios - to God, :)

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:53 PM)

The Black Madonna in Mexico as a worship for the drug gangs…

From Victoria Schwarz Schwarz to All panelists and other attendees: (12:53 PM)

science as sacred, love it, Jim!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

this is healing… we are

From Mushin Patric Roberts to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

Mitákuye Oyás'iŋ (All Are Related)

From Kala Perkins to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

Science as a pursuit of the Sacred

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

All My Relations, blessings…

From unify unify to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

beautiful thoughts ❤

From Bruce Schuman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:54 PM)

I love Anne Baring

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:55 PM)

Anyone get Jim’s summary?  Beautiful said

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:55 PM)

Thank you all for evoking deeper, urgent inquiries. All our relations. May your studies be broadly understood!

From Jude Asphar to All panelists and other attendees: (12:55 PM)

Yay! Anne Baring…evermore thanks for all of it, Jim

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🙏❤

From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (12:55 PM)

Thank you All!!!!