From Liliane Mavridara to All panelists and other attendees: (11:01 AM)

Happy Friday Everyone!

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:02 AM)

Welcome from North Carolina woods.

From Michael Sillion to All panelists and other attendees: (11:05 AM)

Indeed. this is probably our last window of opportunity

From gary wohlman to All panelists and other attendees: (11:06 AM)

This IS the 11th hour.

From Kip Adams to All panelists and other attendees: (11:09 AM)

Can everyone online today bring up this concept to at least 2 people today? If not now, when?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:09 AM)

We're sooo lucky to be here!! And - people with great ideas!! Gonna say thank you at the start!!

From Gail Linsley to All panelists and other attendees: (11:10 AM)

what’s the website for “seeds”?

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:11 AM)

please turn up volume. hard to hear. thank you 😊

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:11 AM)

And yes, sharing constantly

From Ani Ahavah to All panelists and other attendees: (11:11 AM)

joinseeds.com

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:11 AM)

I’ve been sharing this at every opportunity! LOL I’m looking for partners to share this with newly elected folks nation-wide.
@Kate - I’m SO glad t have you here!!!

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (11:13 AM)

Kate, So Excited to hear about this

From Kersti Ahven to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Woohoo. I am so excited with Kate with us today and Amsterdam tomorrow. viewing from Colombia

From david Beatty to All panelists and other attendees: (11:14 AM)

Shape Shifters

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:16 AM)

I rejected that paradigm! didn't get my phd

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

Kate Raworth: Starting point: Supply demand-price at center anything else is an externality-death of living world is an externality in this, Self portrait: man no dependents, calculator in his head, knows the price of everything, self interests valued over collaboration, who we say we are shapes who we become, GOAL: never-ending growth-rise/rise GDP

From Gail Linsley to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

thank you, Ann

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

Interest is what underlies growth - without interest we would have a very different picture of growth.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:17 AM)

yay @Kat!! gm, ty

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:19 AM)

KW: inequality over time, first worse then gets better, did not expect the Growth will even things up again, so trickle down economics, richest are the least equal, before and after war destroys the capital of the wealthy, war and gov intervention that bent that curve down, will not equalize with this curve

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:20 AM)

KW: ENVIRONMENTAL CURVE with pollution Growth will clean up after itself-Not so much, global pollutants the curve does not bend down, these two had great power Growth will clean up after itself and decrease inequality FALSE

From david Beatty to All panelists and other attendees: (11:21 AM)

Bucky also said:  Bank the Learning Curve

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:21 AM)

KW: Not fighting what’s wrong, begin again with a blank page-first concepts: PURPOSE-economic aim is DOUGHNUTS-YUMMY!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:22 AM)

A chance to start again!! Thank you coronavirus - a gift

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:22 AM)

KW: Boundaries planetary, habitable, with these meeting the needs of all within the boundaries of the planet

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:24 AM)

Soooo lucky!!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:24 AM)

KW: Western endless growth is the outlier, to humanity’s wider wellbeing looks like, Way out of balance on all sides overshooting over on 4 of these boundaries now, come back in, humanity’s selfie our challenge to solve new models that take this new set of challenges on

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (11:24 AM)

Let’s rise awareness and reconnection to the natural rithms!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:25 AM)

KW: Embedded economy diagram: society embedded in living world, bringing materials bputting out waste matte, how big might the economy’s throughput be before disruption?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:27 AM)

KW: Financial flows ECONOMY=household Parent/partner/relative/child?(Unpaid) Human-consumer/producer/laborer/owner? STATE: Pubic servant, resident, voter, protester? Commons=volunteer/sharer/co-creator/steward? actors in the economy from Me>WE Showing up in our own lives?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:28 AM)

KW: horizontal is in GDP, Vertical also critical to us but not compensated in GDP

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:29 AM)

Share equitably - love those words
Invest in human potential. Yes!!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:30 AM)

yes!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

Can we create a better example for showing Education - the NEW EDUCATION. What would that image look like?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

Totally brilliant - Bangladesh!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:31 AM)

KW: How can we get into the Doughnut? Distributive = health & education, employment instead enterprises run by employees so value retained in communities, Housing-buy half a house with option to build more when they can, Electricity-distributed generation use or sell to neighbors as a source of income,

From SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT to All panelists and other attendees: (11:32 AM)

In Devon, UK, the firm Riverford has become an employee owned organic veggie box farm and distributor. It is very successful.

From Carlos Prosser to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

i am a student now, i vove it

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:33 AM)

KW: Other side= instead of Degenerative> REGENERATIVE circular, resources used more carefully, creatively, butterfly diagram, nature regenerating herself(SOME IF DAMAGE NOT TOO SERIOUS)

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

YES, Open Source. For All our relations!

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

Simple and logical and practical

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

@Kurt - Education - little pods of people learning and sharing life together  - a few young and a couple of old - up to ten per pod. loads of ideas - later xxx

From SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

The principles of the Divine Feminine are essential for this.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

yes!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:34 AM)

Does Kate have an opinion of the idea of Public Banks as promoted by Ellen Brown? (The Web of Debt, The Public Bank Solution & Banking on the People)

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

These slides - amazing again!!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

Fantastic...Learning soo much.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

KW: Challenge to regenerate-Land restoration Sebastio Salgado, Sanitation closing nutrient cycle loop and socially creating jobs, Modular design reusing materials with bolts easily reassembled, Electronics reclaiming waste through fab labs

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

@Stanley - put the question in the Q&A box

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:35 AM)

Taking notes trying to keep up with all this amazing info.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

How do we get just Kate’s presentation to upload to Social Media OR to show to elected officials in various levels?

From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

Fantastic presentation!  Love these inspirational concepts!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

Great qustion Kurt.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

lets talk about it laterr

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

Thank you Kate, Inspirational, Fascinating and Useful

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

@Diane Did put it in the Q&A

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:36 AM)

@Stnley - Brill xx

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:37 AM)

Thanks Stanley.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:37 AM)

And re the presentation - HR might be working on it xxx

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:37 AM)

thankyou so much for your model! if it had been  developed 15 years ago, the academy may have allowed me to get my PhD, because I would have embraced it!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

KW: instead of centralized-energy-big drill rigs(Distributed renewables in place), production-factories(Distributed 3 d printers), communications-, knowledge intellectual properties, (Distributed smart phones creative commons licensing)

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Gosh this is exciting!!!

From Chrys McLaren to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Love the roots, ground level folk are feeding the fruits of their own labour!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Wahaaaay!! Government!!!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Video to include with all this information would be great to have when presenting this to entrenched systems.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:38 AM)

Serving a thriving planet!!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

KW: design of governments: institutions need redesigning, serve growth economy? 21st century nation would ask about how can we make our growing nation thrive? 5 design traits from Marjory Kelly

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

Yes Diane ...government.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:39 AM)

KW: Purpose: languaging? Thriving, inclusive, regenerative resilient

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

The panelists are invited to participate in an open Zoom call 30 minutes after, simply connect with Stanley Pokras

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

A bold idea to replace politicians  César Hidalgo’s TedTalk has a radical suggestion for fixing our broken political system: automate it! In this provocative talk, he outlines a bold idea to bypass politicians by empowering citizens to create personalized AI representatives that participate directly in democratic decisions. Explore a new way to make collective decisions and expand your understanding of democracy.

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

Yes...always full Transparency.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:40 AM)

Ownership? I'd question the very word!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:41 AM)

KW: Networks-citizens, changemakers, alliances, procurement? Governance-voice, rules/practices, metrics, transparency? Ownership-land, utilities, business, data, banking? FinanceTaxes, public utilities, FDI, External debt, ODA-developing nations pay far more in debt than serving their people

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:41 AM)

As things are, Governments (i.e. the US Constitution & Courts) are in service of PROPERTY. Ben G. Price explains this clearly in his book, "How Wealth Rules the World."

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:42 AM)

Oh La La!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:42 AM)

KW: create rules and understanding for social WE< create gov/companies for greatest good

From Chrys McLaren to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Thanks Kate superbly simply and eloquently put!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

YES

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

yes!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Los Angeles is wide open

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Love it , thanks Kate!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

ty Kate!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

Gosh this was great!!! Thank you xxx

From Renate Dohmen to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

thank you this was amazing!!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

This is wonderful, Kate!!!

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

@Kate thanks for amazing concise DE presentation

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

I Agree! + 1 Eduard

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (11:43 AM)

SOOOO concise! Soon potent!

From Ani Ahavah to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

this makes me cry in relief…..

From Carlos Prosser to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Magistra, marvelous, there is a hope, there is an option

From Todd Johnston to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

applause applause

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Yes, thank you for the simplicity!!!

From Meg Newhouse to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

I agree - simplicity, clarity, power, passion

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

KW: invites us to join in studying in September! THAT WAS A TSUNAMI OF POSSIBILITY! THANK YOU FOR THE CARING ECONOMY DEFINED FOR THE 21st Century!

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Excellent presentation Kate! Can not wait to share with everyone I know.

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

the option that all can understand!!❤️

From Noa Lodeizen to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

thank you!!!

From Sarita Patel to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Kate- how did you find the courage to speak with this wisdom?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

The joy of it all - in that - we may well be moving forward with all this in our pockets!!

From SUZANNAH BEECHWOOD-HUNT to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

The answer! We just have to put it into action.

From Kip Adams to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

We the people must activate the politicians as in Amsterdam?

From Jean Yzer to All panelists and other attendees: (11:44 AM)

Lets frame it this way, politicians are just doing what they know, lets show then another way. Let's encourage.

From MALINI Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:45 AM)

all the HR talks are full videos on YouTube, just select the episode and share and download if you want to share at a later date.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:45 AM)

Andrew Fanning: Data analysis-downscaling the DOUGHNUT to cities>>>

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:45 AM)

@Kate - look forward to connecting with you DE project - how can we scaffold the intelligences of cities to make DE natural

From Dr. Carroy (Cuf) Ferguson to All panelists and other attendees: (11:45 AM)

Thank you, Kate, for including so many pictures of people of color who are embracing the Doughnut.  Very appreciative as an African American to see.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:46 AM)

@Cuf, agree!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:46 AM)

The Doughnut is a wonderful answer to the suggestion created by the Story of Solutions https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

Can you send the link for that webpage, please?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:47 AM)

WOW!! The difference between the countries!!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

The Story of Solutions says to replace the GOAL of MORE, with the Goal of BETTER. The Doughnut does exactly that!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

goodlife.leeds.ac.uk

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

Would love to see how Canada is doing?

From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to All panelists and other attendees: (11:48 AM)

Notably, Costa Rica has no military.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

goodlife.leeds.ac.uk/countries

From Gary Piazzon to All panelists and other attendees: (11:49 AM)

Blue Water? = fresh water?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

AF: meet needs without exceeding the planetary boundary, every country can be seen as a developing country, our generational challenge without overshooting boundaries

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:50 AM)

It’s the Challenge for NOW!

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:51 AM)

How does the work of R3.0 intersect with the Doughnut concept?

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:51 AM)

@andrew - beautiful analysis - interesting to see where countries going - I would love to look at impact of consciousness and culture (values of individuals and collectives) related to your data

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (11:51 AM)

This is in Q&A, too.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:53 AM)

AF: two trends some countries are moving-China, others not-India, tend to move to greater un sustainability before they improve their social performance, Costa Rica is more effective at achieving social performance and even here increasing un sustainability with improving Social index.Need new pathways of dives cultures to move into the doughnut for 21st Century,

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:53 AM)

@andrew @kate Do you think that countries that show lowering of trends is part of the learning path - maybe we have to learn where we are in the doughnut before we can figure out how to change?

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

Thank you Andrew, that is a good visualization

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

Transformative policies - yaaay. Let's grapple!! Exciting!!

From Simone de Wijn to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

@Marilyn great question that’s my topic and very important for the developing of human beings in the world.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

Have you explored more of the decade in the past… maybe there were some countries, Probably in the 1800’s

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

@diane, YES

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

this model is feminist!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:54 AM)

AF: Downscaling the doughnut, find national data/standards and downscale them directly-two lenses Enviro and social holistic downscaling, viewing through 4 lenses, local, global, social, ecological

From Crystal Steinberg to All panelists and other attendees: (11:55 AM)

transformation as more of spiral than line

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:55 AM)

@andrew @kate - love your City Portraits - a fractal of integral cities frameworks

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:55 AM)

@Marilyn and @Simone - yes indeed. How does consciousness affect it all!! (for me the most important thing!!)
Wow!! Whata question!!
Carefully worded indeed!!

From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to All panelists and other attendees: (11:56 AM)

How can our city be a home to thriving people in a thriving place, while respecting the wellbeing of all people and the health of the whole planet?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (11:56 AM)

AF: Biomimicry-Janine Bennyus partnership, DE Action Lab, KR Foundation, Circle Economy, C40 cities (Portland is undergoing federal policing despite local leaders not wanting it FYI)
(Portland 50 days of protest)

From MALINI Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

q2. Singapore is doing it right.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

The Love on/in his face!!!

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

thank you Andrew!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:57 AM)

Totally thank you xxxx

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

@Diane, radiant.

From Kip Adams to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

Philadelphia!!!??- That's in my south central PA neighborhood-must check it out

From Tiffany Stone to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

I have to say that Portland is the whitest city I’ve ever visited—I’ve been there a bunch of times.

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

@andrew @kate what if we always asked questions re city thriving in relation to the wellbeing of its sister cities ecoregion and planet - what if that was core to city governance?

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

So lovely to watch - I'm crying - joy!!

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (11:58 AM)

these are essential questions!!

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (11:59 AM)

@andrew @kate - what if city portrait also revealed the inner life of the city - like their values - you just said it!!

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

lived experiences yes yes

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

Andrew - one of us!! We are all One!! Laughing now!! Exciting indeed!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

AF: Four lenses for Public portraits to City Selfie. Amsterdam pioneering transformative change, layering on the many existing initiatives already in place, lived Xperiences, taking in their stories and how they perceive their own places, new steps or further steps transforming dynamics place capturing what it means to thrive

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

Love your City Selfie

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:00 PM)

Hahaha "Fabulous!!"

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

I want to help to translate all this into Spanish if you are interested, Eduard knows me.

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

Link for the Portraits?

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

please and thank you@Melina!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

Wow!! You've done the Guide!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

Philadelphia, Portland, Amsterdam working within diverse conversations, neighborhoods to apply to won places or different conditions, simple, accessible, useable, shared, adapt it, co create for transformative action

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:01 PM)

Congrats on the City Portraits!!

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:02 PM)

@melina Brilliant!! Well done!!

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Here is the Amsterdam City Portrait https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/04/08/amsterdam-city-doughnut/

From AMY A BLUMENSHINE to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Interesting how Trump is threatening federal intervention to both Portland and Philadelphia

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Decision trees for creating each of the four lenses, local/social and global/ecological identify dimensions, select desired outcomes and compare with current performance based on best available info-may not be sufficient, perhaps indicate direction of change, context, sense checking, common sense needed

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

And here is the Methodological Guide (just published on Monday!) https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/07/16/so-you-want-to-create-a-city-doughnut/

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:03 PM)

Hahahah - a data nerd!!! Yaaaay!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:04 PM)

@KR-thanks for the published methodological guide!

From Tiffany Stone to All panelists and other attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Amy Portland is being used as an experiment by Trump—sickening totalitarian rule

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:04 PM)

@Kate - thanks for the guides - want to send you offer for Integral City Scaffolding to support your DE implantation with 4 Voices of city :-)

From Simone de Wijn to All panelists and other attendees: (12:05 PM)

Amsterdam have problems with Gentrification and a lot of visitors great that they want to change that but what about the people self self organisations building from bottom up.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:05 PM)

AF: Collaborative process: multidisciplinary researchers, city staff wide range of departments, civic orgs & community networks, rethinking, creating city portrait is a tool to feedback into the cycle of concretion for continuing change

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

AF: Next steps-first global north cities with high resource consumption, history, colonialism >>> global south cities to produce neighborhoods to nations to bioregions

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

@Simone - I think Amdam can make change from bottom, middle and top - all working together with 4 Voices of City (citizens, civic managers, business/innovators, 3rd sector)

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

I am here to work for you!!

From Leo Jacoby to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

HOW CAN OUR CITY BE A HOME TO THRIVINC PEOPLE IN A THRIVING PLACE. 
WHILE RESPECTING THE WELLBEING OF ALL PEOPLE AND THE HEALTH OF THE WHOLE PLANET? 
LOCAL/SOCIAL What would it mean for the people of this city to thrive? 
GLOBAL/SOCIAL What would it mean for this city to respect the wellbeing of people worldwide? 
LOCAL/ECOLOGICAL What would it mecn for this city to thrive within its natural habitat? 
GLOBAL/ECOLOGICAL What would it mean for this city to respect the health of the whole planet?

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

Re self-organising groups in Amsterdam, they have launched the Amsterdam Donut Coalition https://amsterdamdonutcoalitie.nl/

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

bravo!!

From Melina Angel to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

Thank you!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

Join in September Doughnuteconomics.org in September for 21st Century rethinking global economics

From Todd Johnston to All panelists and other attendees: (12:06 PM)

Wow. So good!

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

@andrew - you are the best kind of data nerd :-)

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

Global-

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

Thank you - that was fantastic!!

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

GLOCAL

From Simone de Wijn to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

Ok, thank you Kate

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

You can follow us on Twitter now @DoughnutEcon - and you’ll know when we launch!

From Monica Affleck to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

@Marilyn, is this similar to the work you have done with the City of Abbotsford?

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:07 PM)

@Monica - it has so many resonances that I leap for joy :-)

From Tiffany Stone to All panelists and other attendees: (12:08 PM)

Love that these are real solutions that are actually being implemented

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

@monica - my colleague Beth Sanders is also implementing in Edmonton Alberta - she was with panel I moderated on Thriving Human Habitats on Day 56

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

Old habits are SO hard to change - seeing the visuals is one of the best ways to change that.

From Monica Affleck to All panelists and other attendees: (12:09 PM)

@Marilyn, do you have any advice for how to approach other municipalities?

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Monica - find the energy (who has interest to change) and start from there - find the 4 Voices and ask who should be here?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:10 PM)

@Kurt - there you go- a challenge to education

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@Kate we invite to Chile.Wellcome

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Donut economics: finally an alternative to neoliberal/destructive economics-YES

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Short questions give more time to Kate, Andrew and Bente if possible. Super.

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@Ed - love the whole approach of unlearning

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I’m wondering if @Eduard seeks input from the Indigenous

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EM: How do we actually move forward in 5-10 years? First holistic tool. How might universities adopt this with reductionist thinking so components, instead of indigenous interactive sides-(all our relations) most difficult is the unlearning students/teachers competition not useful now

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I do find that there are loads of uni teachers who are also not happy with 'the system'

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You rock, Kate!

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@creative commons is such a beautiful modelling of DE - thanks so much

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Actually wrote something this very morning that - we can Zoom our way forward.!!! (
Part of a conversation with a group

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Need to send presentations out to cities and protesting groups and unions to start getting the word out in USA

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@Diane - yes, you are correct. Share what you wrote.

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@Kate We invite you to help us transform the society  Chile that brought savage capitalism and degenerative culture to the highest level. We are now in a powerful moment of cultural change. Your voice would be light

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@Kathryn - later (maybe)

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@Carlos - SO exciting!!! You go!

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I am here to help @carlos!

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I dream of Donuts Schools

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KR: 5-10 years> Doughnut Economics book written in 2017 talked about is and now the doing, cities places, teachers, governments, created DE Action lab from 3 to 7 people in lockdown online, make ideas available to all who want to implement, creative commons everything, useful for you, share bak to the community any learnings, downscaling for cities in global north with C40 of highest income cities furthest fastest, nothing inherent for northern looking forward to global south cities and countries and neighborhoods, using at national scale-Ed, adapted and adopted in many places, craziness ahead! Version 1.0 good enough to ge going, so many ways to improve it>>>Activity of people making it their own and sharing back in ed/cities/gov/teachers letting go, let us all play, principles-NO GREENWASHING only transformative, ope, inclusive,

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@Kate - see - yes - there are loads of teachers who recognise the moment too

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open

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I like this openess into the evolution of its own life, thank you!

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Anyone else listening in Minneapolis/St. Paul?

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@kate - totally respect your principles - and do you see they basically change the old economics man :-)

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true true Andrew!!

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Los Angeles, CA USA people interested - lets connect

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public affairs schools as well

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@Mariyn, yes! We are aiming to run our organisation by the same principles of Doughnut Economics that we propose. So we share ideas and tools and ask for reciprocity - let’s see what happens! You are all welcome to the community.

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AF: 6th year of formal economics training stumbled upon ecological economics- unlearn things, no time to consider, @AF(I am mentoring a Yale Grad student in this where would you lay down the crumbs for her to find the place of deepest Xploration?)

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At college I got a ‘D’ in economics and had to do it twice because I didn’t believe what they were teaching and I didn’t want it in my mind, but it was required. HA!

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relationships are key

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@Hilary that’s great to hear. Please join our community and share with other teachers how you are teaching it. we will also have some lesson plans and workshop ideas to share.

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Global Justice Now - did a two day course on Economics is for Everyone - learnt loads - mind-blowing. Best to drop the word 'Blame' - just solutions and ways forward

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@Diane - yes!

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@Kathryn - take it as a D for Doughnut. You were just ahead...

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@Jim Please!!!!

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@Linda give me your contact

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@kate - I think our creative commons approaches to the inner life of cities can be scaffolding for emergence of wellbeing at multiple scales in cities

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@kathryn, I didn't get my PhD bc I didn't embrace the prevailing paradigm

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@Kate - LOL

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@Kathryn I feel you 😂.

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@carlos, lindastopp@hotmail.com

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@Kat again thank you for capturing and sharing notes

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@BB my pleasured focus

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How about inclusiveness

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It may help going forward into doughnut economics if we label and denounce mainstream or neo-liberal capitalism as a Ponzi scheme.

From MALINI Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:19 PM)

it needs to be called Regerative studies. instead of regenerative economics.

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yes, please!

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@Kat 🌠

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Great that it found its way into here. Just doing a University summer school in Alternative Economic & Monetary Systems through BOKU University in Vienna Austria, Its all online and have students from 17 countries here and talk about many of these and other concepts. Needs to be spread much wider of course.

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yes @malini

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@Peter - so nice to see you here :-)

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@Jim - and it'll be like dominoes - once a couple of unis find a clever way - the others will follow. This is a special moment. Let's grab it!!

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I don't resonate with the term "economics"

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@ kat bethbrownf@aol.com please connect

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This is happening in front of our very eyes. Collaboration. YES... Go, Jim, Go, Kate, Go Eduard and Andrew!

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@ Jim It would be wonderful to have a specific course for different audiences...for K-12 teachers, for elected officials etc.

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JG: box with no one in it! Where is the low hanging fruit or trim tabs that once activated would create max derivative effect? Easiest pressure points?

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The Transdisciplinary master in sustainable living systems in Colombia would like to join that offer of creating ways to teach this model. Please bring me into the conversation!

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punctuated equilibrium

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@kate - that's the honey in the doughnut - mindset change - that's where we are working in Integral City :-)

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you light a beautiful fire, Kate!

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honey in the hole!!👍😁

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KR: interviewing systems, (Dinella Meadows-paradigm change tipping point might be instant) LVOING CHATBOX_KEEP ON CHAT PEOPLE!

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I would love to describe the doughnut model through a song!

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The art of household e.... - which is why the two day course covered it all - simple!!!

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@Marilyn I’d love to talk with you later…?

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yes! The art of caring for the planet, our home

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Kr; Living planet is the household and live well within the ism get in the way, pictures help us get through these, Amsterdam @Jen Do IT!, Sing on!

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@kathryn send me email marilyn@integralcity.com

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@Marilyn Will do

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KR: Within planetary boundaries is the paradigm change, then we recognize it is with in (Design limit!)

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Yes

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Songs, films, books, art — all help change the paradigm.

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Smiley faces - Ed and Andrew!! Yes, clever Kate xxx

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Kate, What is the ESSENCE of doughnut economics that can be said in spiritual or sacred terms? I’m a poet and I must hear what you are saying with my heart.

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Fiddlesticks..I had to go off line for a bit...so missed a bunch of this vital education. I will check back on the chat to see how it applies to education.

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We talk about changing governments, city, nations - what about the Media - who has a grasp of Earth as ecological source?

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Harvard school of economics needs to hear this

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include the poetry, the honey in the donut holes!!

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@Ani - hi - the essence is thriving in dynamic balance. I am sure you can find more poetic words than me!
we grow until we grow up and then we can thrive.

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melinangel@gmail.com

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@Ani - Love self, love cities. love planet - surely your heart can hear this?

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AF: only economist for how big should economy get, in a blink got that ecological economics  can happen quickly as he did and others can as well, city portrait methodology, so many places are so different, relationships, worked her but not here, urgent, unpredictable,

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Too hard to intervene (maybe) - just build the new way!!

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@Ani, for me the doughnut is about the notion of Oneness…. at one with the planet, each other and the systems that exist and are created around the notion of oneness.

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that is poetry

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:26 PM)

USE PHYSICAL DISTANCING! WE ARE STILL ABLE TO BE SOCIAL!

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Yes, the virus can be seen as a gift from the life force to change the paradigm — all life independent.

From Simone de Wijn to All panelists and other attendees: (12:26 PM)

We designed tools and games to build with real people in villages to build on the regenerative world ! We are here we open with conscious feelings from our mind the paradigm start for us 5 years ago..

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Pandemic showed that "not growing economically" WAS NOT A TRAGEDY

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@Ani, early in the conversation Kate held up her hands and pulsed them like a heartbeat.  i think that that is also a spiritual link… in a way her hand gestures were the mudra of doughnut economics

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JG: If change a person’s mind you can change their life-Pandemic world shut down in weeks, social distancing was instantaneously applied without a murmur, a week before if asked one would think it is crazy, All else follows KR: turns around and grabs the precise piece of knowledge needed in this Momente SHERO RISING!

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@Ani - nive!!

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This feels as though it is the one piece that will shift the consciousnesat at the  Leadership levels of Education.

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@Ani nice!

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I am a 78 year old white privileged woman. I want to do/be something to leave my children and grandchildren. How can I help change the paradigm? What action can I take?

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The DONUT can BE like a rubber ring it helps us to float

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the mudra is the heartbeat with our hands!

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No one could have predicted the Beatles! Doughnut Economics is the Beatles of sustainability.

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@linda…. yes1

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One of views is that things change from the inside out and the language of our inner life (the unconscious) speaks in images. So, thanks so much for the use of pictures as they speak to changing things from the inside out by providing external representations of what can be

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Everyone has to be included also you @Mary

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paradigm change is definitely it!

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Online education is a way around entrenched academia.

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Donela Meadows: You could say paradigms are harder to change than other things. Nothing slow, in a single individual it can happen in an instant, Keep speaking loudly with assurance, not reactionaries, work with action change agents…

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DE is much more than sustainability - look at how it embraces regenerativity

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thank you 😊

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OPEN MINDED !!!!

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Love it

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NAME OF BOOK PLEASE - KATES QUOTE

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“the vast middle ground of people who are open minded”

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A flick of a switch!! @Kate those words from the book yaaay!!

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But as a “paradigm buster”, i’m often treated as a “heretic” of sorts… so it requires me to be in community of like-minded people who ARE IN the new paradigm… this energises me to continue.

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How about bringing in Bente (sp)?

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Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

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it is a challenge to be a heritic

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@kate, please share the name of the book you read from?

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Stay with us, Ed - we're all positive - all the time!!

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@julia I agree and am in the same boat

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It's a great game we're playing - every day!!!

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@renate, so let’s chat please?

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Yes, it is @Eduard!

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My email is julia@wideopenspaces.co.za… I’m based in Johannesburg, South Africa

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Society and change it is like a, PENDULUM swing, WE have to find the BALANCE

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Kate, your email?

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Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:30 PM)

The paradigm shift of doughnut economics is like: the world now is like a football game without rules.  Astronomical scores, no meaning. With Doughnut rules, then there is a game with tremendous creativity and so much to learn and create.

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Again - a flick of a switch!!

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Can we have your email Kate?

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“The Earth is alive.  We must respect that as we must respect one another.  When we do that we won’t have to ask, we’ll know what to do.”  Stephen Point Stahlo from the Coast Salish message to Paris Climate Conferes. “

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Question:  I am involved in a scaleable education project for Rural Village Teacher and Leadership Training in China.  How does Donut Economy apply to Asia?

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My inbox is a deep dark sea, you don’t want to end up in it : )

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@julia lets! my email is London7806@aol.com

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But on Twitter I am @kateraworth - love to see you there

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@Julia Disrupters are always needed

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I have posted three questions for Andrew in the Q&A

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“When we look at the world, we don’t see resources we see relatives.” Jay Julius Lummi elder

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I am just being in a place of joy, thinking about where we have come from since May 22! I am full!

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Psychedelics and Donut Economics for the change we need- thanks for the plug Andrew

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@renate, got it!  Thanks.  I’ll email you

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@julia :)

From Tim Ellis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:32 PM)

I'm in Cape Town.  It feels more nuanced and complex to move from GDP growth to the Doughnut here in South Africa.  The sudden economic stop has highlighted the extreme inequalities and problems for so many of our population.  So I am super curious about applying these questions to cities/countries in the Global South.

@Kate - I'm heading to Schumacher for Regenerative Economics in September.  I'd love to engage when the focus on the Global South starts.  How to stay connected on this?

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I left another summit at Findhorn - Roots of Tomorrow - topic today = Deep Inner Listening - when we are calling forth the new paradigm "There is a voice that doesn't use words - Listen" (Rumi) - so beautiful to images, poetry, and energy here.

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@tiffany, I agree…. and also need support to energise ourselves.  It’s hugely exciting to be on a forum of people who are open minded, hopeful and happy to be agents of change… united by this powerful vision.

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“We are not protecting the Earth.  We are the Earth Protecting herself.” Casey Camp-Horack Ponca wisdom keeper & activist

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@Tim - hi- the very best way to be involved with us and with all this work is to join our platform as soon as we launch in September. That is where all the action will be!! www.doughnuteconomics.org

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@tim, I’m in Johannesburg.  I share your concern but there is indeed HUGE opportunity at local community level.

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I have always felt it is about the 'Timing! ..timing more than implementing a particular new programme, that costs an arm and a leg, as a solution when it comes to educating the Heart and the Mind of the child.

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@Yes, Julia. I would love to be around more like-minded people as well. I always feel like the stranger in the strange land. Love to all of you in SA.

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:34 PM)

@tiffany… well put!  I’m going to borrow your words!  Very helpful

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@Julia - Huge opportunity indeed.  I feel complexity in how to approach this topic given the socio-political climate we find ourselves in.  Felt the same about the climate protests - not as simple as the straight call in the UK for example...

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My mom liked to say “As you travel through life, whatever be your goal, keep your eye upon the doughnut and not upon the hole.” Just couldn’t resist.

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This is the Do in the Doughnut!!

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

@bente - love your initiative to engage youth ... and bring the field of Bucky Fuller

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Humility, gratitude and reciprocity are at the heart of Indigenous values.  The Honorable Harvest  a ted talk by Robin Wall-Kimmerer https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+honorable+harvest+kimmerer&docid=608024222126312414&mid=52133DD7A1DE169E661952133DD7A1DE169E6619&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

Online e-learning platform would be great.  In SA, we have soooooooo much inequality and a government who is highly corrupt and very much in the ME picture Kate put up early on.  AND at a local community level, people get the ubuntu and it’s going through an open door.

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

Dear  Doughnut Chat PEOPLE,  panelists, too Some of us are gathering in a Zoom meeting 30 minutes after this session closes. Please write to me if you would like to participate (even if you can't join us today) I have also created an email list for us to interact without being on at the same time. stan@communitymagic.org

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Young ones and different cultures please..

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

Bente Milton: Household economics of feeding 5 kids, changemakers building together, already begun the world game, happy to be in Copenhagen, following footsteps of Amsterdam, 90 leaders in cities to meet needs of planet, global youth assembly, harvest given to world leaders, online learning for a broad number of young and less privileged, love to support doughnut platform, Bucky;s world game across platforms, bring Xperienced based ed as practical Xcercises, as a young person to co create something together to attract young ones to the table, see quick change

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ty Bente

From Tim Ellis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

@Kate - thanks, I will do so.
Found your book last month and this week feels such a gift as preparation for a deep dive. :)

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

Timing plus Donut econmics.

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

@Tim - hope you enjoy it!

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (12:36 PM)

Yes, Bente. Let the Children lead the way 💓

From Jen Forti to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

I would love to find that excerpt from Donella Meadows that  Kate read!

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

@tim, what is the title of the book you mentioned by Kate?

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Hope Bentte quality can be improved tomorrow.  Often she breaks up and it is hard to flow what she is saying.

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

Wonderful teaching Kate.

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

Love the demo.

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

@Julia - Donut Economics

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:37 PM)

@kate, I love your prop!  Great teaching tool…. so memorable!

From Simone de Wijn to All panelists and other attendees: (12:38 PM)

Children, different cultures

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:38 PM)

@kate, there are very few straight lines in nature… sacred geometry yes!  Shapes inside each other, the overlap and make so much beauty.

From Me to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

Grow till you're grown up! Brilliant

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

KR: nothing grows forever in nature, grow and then grow up then thrive-kids (BELONG) challenge is greatest for high income countries already at top of the curve they must transform to thriving in doughnut now, lower income countries are much further down the grown living in the hole in the doughnuts must generate all systems to come up the curve grow until grown up? Design for finance shift! Spoiler alert.

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Developmental Stage…

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

what a great lady

From Ani Ahavah to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

That economic trajectory (your illustration) has to come back toward itself in the cycling spiral of life.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

Fantastic description @Kate Thank you

From Tiffany Stone to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

I would like to know if any of you have spoken with Indigenous elders for input

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:39 PM)

@tim, did you see where SA was on Andrew’s graph?  Right at the edge of the sustainable planet Y axis and very low on social standing for the people.

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

@Kate: Wonderful and simplistic way of getting the message across. Fun as well!

From Michael Sillion to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

indeed. it how we rethink finance, capital and value creation.

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

I’ll make that video!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:40 PM)

@Paul - simple not simplistic…

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

value creation through education

From Tim Ellis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

@Julia - I did see that.  Shocked me slightly how far to the right it was - I'm going to explore that data further...

From Cheryl Ritenbaugh to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

What is Andrew’s website?

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

AF: go to goodlife.Leeds.uk  website, to data tab, Ideal timescale? no.

From Carlos Prosser to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

@Kate you Will enjoy Chile

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

@Kate - you make the video - we'll share it - everywhere!!! thank you xxx

From Michael Sillion to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

check out this on Value creation with  Bill Baue at SSBMG 14 July 2020  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODP2-5BVxQ

From Tim Ellis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:41 PM)

@Kate
Thanks for addressing that briefly.  Brings a very helpful perspective.  (Need to get myself a flexible growth prop!)

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

Thank you Everyone for a Wonderful, Exciting, Informative conversation

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

I am wondering what a conversation between Hans Rosling (RIP) and Kate or Andrew might sound like?

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

@tim, I felt a nauseous looking at it;.. visceral response in my body.  Urgh!  And sadly I don’t see it changing any time soon - at least not championed by government…. I think it will come more from civil society… much the like the downfall of apartheid

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

Thanks so much @Ed for providing beautiful grounding; @Kate for brilliance of your doughnut download; @Andrew for your approachable data set; @Bente for bringing in the next generation. Thanks @Jim for manifesting this session/week.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:42 PM)

Andrew, email?

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:43 PM)

SO, SO powerful!!! Thank you to ou all!

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:43 PM)

All the resources we have discussed today on downscaling to the city are available here: https://www.kateraworth.com/2020/07/16/so-you-want-to-create-a-city-doughnut/

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

What Covid -19 has taught us world wide. Promo for this new path. Where we are Developmentally World Wide.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

ty, Kate! great stuff!

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

Andrew’s national doughnut website is here goodlife.leeds.ac.uk

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

Thanks. Kate and Adrew, awesome work. We hope to incorporate it into Regenerate Colombia. Also exploring how shifting education into a Nature-Based approach can build the base of living systems thinking and help us move towards the holistic WE mindset

From MALINI Rajendran to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

@andrew. thanks for your response. i would like to recommend that the political cycle be a time line, because then the donut would reflect an elected  governments performance and policies Nd scope of improvement for the next elected government.

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

Local economy, food security, less  pollution through transportation, healthier lifestyle.

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

@Luis sounds great - please join DEAL’s Community in September. Let’s go!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:44 PM)

Thanks everyone....time to sell some donuts!!

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

what is your email @carlos

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

Exactly… a civil society movement.  Yes!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

hahaha!! ya!

From Paul Coleman to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

@Kate: just joined. Thank you.

From Gary Piazzon to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

We are grateful to Covid for it allows for maturity born of travail much needed everywhere but more so here, for ours, the USA, is sadly an adolescent culture still welcoming of magical thinking in some here.  Proof? = the explosion of Q-anon conspiracy here.

From Tim Ellis to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

@Julia. Our political system (and all the complex systemic history and circumstances that have led it to this point) cannot do much but focus on the social.  It feels hugely difficult for them to introduce the "within the means of the planet" if that compromises the social aspects.  So civil society will need to be the driver.  We probably have to work at grass roots level, hence an interest in downscaling to cities & communities...

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

Yes it can…the people in the streets protesting need to hear …check out their organizations

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

@Julia Obviously governments are way behind and unlikely to bend just yet so - what can individuals like us do? We have to keep a positive dream/idea/state of mind. Every thought counts. Even as I write - Ed is saying we have to do it in spite of government!! Hope and faith and individual action!! Do your best!!

From Carlos Prosser to All panelists and other attendees: (12:45 PM)

i Will eat the doughnut, not the sugar ones

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

EM: with Savory carbon negativity in small scale farms, might be able to in 10 years to reduce inequality in Costa Rica. CONORNAVIRUS before export open model replaced by local, better life individual places, civil societies can do this, very powerful instrument to engage people to change our economic systems by giving hope instead of adapting to a collapsing climate, we still have time to move to abundance and give up scarcity,

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

Or Mars...... Crazy

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

THANK YOU ALL!

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

@Eduard - You are so wonderful and so positive and so clear!!!

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

@Carlos - perfect! Eat the one doughnut that turns out to be good for us. It’s conceptual!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

ty, Ed, we need a good real example!!

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

Findhorn Angels of the day - Awakening ... Abundance

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

Power to you Eduard!! Lead the way!

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

@Diane… I wholeheartedly agree… it starts with us.

From Gary Piazzon to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

“First we dream it. Then we build it.  Then we ask if its possible.” Paul Hawken economist!

From Jen Forti to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

A race to move to the top left corner!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:46 PM)

doughnuts are big circles!!!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Wow Marilyn..Love those Findhorn cards.

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

+1 @Jim

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Black Elk said he saw circles …

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

if the original meaning/root  of “economics”is in the home, then that’s where we can start right NOW

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

I took home economics in high school 😁

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

@Julia Keep your spirit up xxx

From Tiffany Stone to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Yes why are homemakers still devalued in this day and age—so crazy!

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Back to the care of home!!!

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Thank you Jim common sense.

From Doreen Tanenbaum to All panelists and other attendees: (12:47 PM)

Link Donut to Covid  together, and move it to all  in what is needed to heal the world

From Kathryn Alexander, MA to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

@Gary - thanks for Paul Hawkin’s thoughts. Maybe bringing him here with his drawing down???

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

Thank you Jim. I want to acknowledge thet Doughnut Economics is built on decades of work by many economists from Daly to Meadows to Sen to Chang.

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

yes Paul

From Julia Bonadei to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

@ Linda, in my school days taking home economics was a “loser” female subject… it was pooh poohed by the male dominated educators….. urgh!  it’s what we do daily when we have households.

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

we have lit the fire - the sacred fire burns!!

From Rachel Root to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

thank you all! The time has come!!

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

The Four Sacred Gifts, Anita Sanchez’ book

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

In the words of Andre Gide: Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening it has to be said again’ (this time with doughnuts : )

From Sarita Patel to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

Home Economics was a class offered in High School. where did that go?

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

exactly my case @julia

From Marilyn Hamilton to All panelists and other attendees: (12:48 PM)

@Kate ... and you had the courage/insight to synthesize all those who have come before. Deepest Appreciation.

From Kat Haber to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

JG: Kate your idea ’s time has come in a regenerative way, genius it to make it so simple doughnut economics into the homemakers understanding generating a contact so children thrive, within the context of the community/household/ BEnte with kids in 96 countries, power of the paradigm, presence of an idea whose time has come, organize around it, do what we can-courses, Bente City Transformers,SImple doughnut HUMANITY RISING encourages us to enable these paradigm shifts! @Ed, @Kate, @Jim, @Andrew @Bente Bold, brilliant, beautiful!

From Shannon McArthur to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

amazing… beautiful!

From Michelle Kidd to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

💓 💓💓

From Jane to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Would love to see the unversities making this a prerequisite for Ed students.

From Diane Skidmore to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

This is why we're here. gosh, we're moving forward. Thanks to everyone !!

From Gary Piazzon to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Drawdown should be in HR’s wheelhouse also Solutionary Rail!

From Linda Stopp to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

love

From Kurt Krueger to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Gracias

From Kate Raworth to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Thanks so much for this opportunity.

From Jen Forti to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Blessings to all <3

From Luis Camargo to All panelists and other attendees: (12:49 PM)

Thank you!