00:57:49 Julie Wolf: HR Day 155 (I thjink) this is 00:58:00 Julie Wolf: . The Daily email you get from ChatPeople compiling Chats, Videos, Resources etc from both HR and ChatPeople will be delivered via links to OtherNetworks.org There-are-links-to-all-humanity-rising-panel-sessions-andthefull-transcriptions You-can-add-your-websites-any-projects-you-are-working-on Plus-all-the-details-of-organisations-who-haven-taken-part Please also add a Page on www.OtherNetworks.org with the "Add a page" button on the Home page about your self, your projects and your networks and organizations. . 01:01:11 Kat Haber: As mentioned in another session ways we can align our own funds: https://www.asyousow.org/invest-your-values 01:01:23 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: i imagine the localist respond to Dan's comment..... how will this panel and conversation change when we reverse citizen's united, and how are we getting ahead of the curve? 01:03:18 Kat Haber: Mondragon in Spain, Tillamook Dairy ag coops, many types of entities, Meta level entire civilization is predicated on dominationator culture, INDIGENOUS ARE IN RELATION WITH NATURE AND LIFE 01:03:27 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: how will this panel and conversation change when we reverse "citizens" "united" and how are we getting ahead of that curve ball? 01:05:20 Kat Haber: Behavior personal/work/community/regions/home take care of each other, love based take care with all laws policies, corp discussion larger spiritual crisis, normalized dominator systems> life inhabitable for kids/grandkids 01:05:41 Bruce Schuman: John: "we have to create a civilization love-base" -- and everything can and must extend from that.... 01:07:04 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: The government cannot be better than its electorate. How do we get the Golden Rule to Rule people’s decisions? Character is the source focus. 01:07:55 Kat Haber: we also share death 01:07:57 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Bruce, fully. And yet ‘everyone wants love’… 01:08:02 Kathryn Alexander, MA: It is so delicious to see/hear so many of us speaking/singing the same song! 01:08:28 Bruce Schuman: "Love-base" That seems like the primary container and prime action -- from which everything else can flow, through which all things can be coordinated and connected... 01:08:43 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Chxe89O6c&fbclid=IwAR2R98s5GOaP17NnLdG0sdG3jYFunorjs_-zw0MyJpK4E30a5rIf-N9acpI&ab_channel=DionneWarwickVEVO "The day will come when, after harnessing space, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered Fire" - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin 01:09:56 Stanley Pokras: Hunter Lovins asked in her HR session... Is destroying the planet a viable business proposition? 01:10:31 Bruce Schuman: Yes -- we need a conscious/explicit activism -- that sees the whole, creates the whole, creates and nurtures synergy of the whole -- and branches to every detail through that wholeness... 01:11:24 Daniel Rieders, MD: dominators do it, because they can 01:11:30 Kat Haber: Truth and reconciliation time? 01:11:52 Daniel Rieders, MD: doverance is key 01:11:58 Daniel Rieders, MD: goverance 01:12:07 Leo Jacoby: Why do I have a nest egg? Out of fear that I might not have enough to make scrambled eggs in my retirement years? OR Out of love to shelter the eggs until new birds (next generation, not just my children) hatch and take flight? 01:12:14 Daniel Rieders, MD: governance :) 01:12:15 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Daniel - they do it because something in their desire resonates in us so we can rationalize that it’s OK 01:12:44 Kat Haber: Trauma healed, honest caring, caretaking respected, well housed/fed, in love with all our relations>>>part of my finer future 01:12:47 Daniel Rieders, MD: Kathryn - noot ok 01:13:05 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Kat - Yes! 01:13:19 Julie Wolf: a more beautiful world Kat! yes 01:13:41 Kat Haber: Gathering of human activities for regeneration of places/spaces/species marginalize to Extinction by humans 01:14:04 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Kat, YES. 01:14:15 Kat Haber: What if just started throwing a better party now? 01:14:28 Daniel Rieders, MD: I like it - throw a better party 01:15:39 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: correction: papal bull basically allowed international corporations to remove ANYONE in the way of "resource extraction" ....not just infidels......because they did take Christians out of the way when needed, especiallyamong the earliest " Christian Indians " ....under disguise of christanizing....(raising awareness in order to clarify and align with Indigenous voices) 01:15:49 Julie Wolf: A viable alternative is already here. We have all we need. How do we throw a better party to gain engagement with all big players? 01:16:21 Leo Jacoby: cf. movie THe Mission 01:16:30 Kat Haber: None of us feel great that there is hunger, homelessness, how do we sell this to those who are now “winning” to understand a blue of sharing when living in a world of scarcity underlies the takings by individuals/multinationals leaving the commons to redistribute the crumbs? 01:17:03 Daniel Rieders: there is lots of money in regenerative technologies, … 01:17:18 Kat Haber: JM: COVID largely is a massive equalizer, change our behavior at scale in a very short amount of time (IF all are convinced of same reality?) 01:17:30 Julie Wolf: We've got to Wake up, we;ve got to Rise up, we've gt tp open our eyse and do it Now. Now! Now! (a song) 01:18:04 Julie Wolf: We've got to Wake up, we;ve got to Rise up, we've got to open our eyes and do it Now! Now! Now! (a song) 01:18:33 Julie Wolf: Go Viral! Virusses are way older and smarter then we new kids are! 01:19:00 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: My identical twin doesn’t believe I Climate Change (one of his dear friends was a scientist for Big Oil; Doesn’t believe in Covid, etc. 01:19:32 Bruce Schuman: get 7 billion humans to change how they perceive one another.... 01:19:54 Julie Wolf: Kurt, does he thing no change is needed? What does he want to improve Kurt? 01:20:00 Julie Wolf: *think 01:20:22 Kat Haber: JM: how can we spread this meme Xponentially so it takes hold? COVID opened infinite possibilities, forcing us all to change our behavior (Still I am noticing the urge to return to the “Way it was” with more flights overhead in what was a clear Colorado Blue bird sky with no flights fro months) How do we scale this Xponential change? How do individuals even know what to do? 01:21:04 Daniel Rieders: governance - impeccable leaders - peace starts with in, heart to heart, first in your heart 01:21:58 Julie Wolf: yes, How do individuals even know what to do? 01:22:26 Daniel Rieders: cooperation is not a mind thing, it is heart based 01:22:54 Kat Haber: GREED IS NOT GOOD! 01:23:11 Julie Wolf: lack based (greed) 01:23:23 Daniel Rieders: I think greed, is a frame. Maybe the greed is not enough, a bigger greed, in sign with purpose, deep longings 01:23:38 Kat Haber: I have conservative women friends who voted for Mr. T because of taxes! I do a lot of listening when in conversation with them. 01:23:45 Leo Jacoby: At the micro level of managing my personal financial portfolio what help can others offer about keeping me and my financial advisor honest, and to invest in regenerative corporations and coops? (In contrast to the default posture of "maximizing wealth.") 01:23:56 Julie Wolf: Bigger Greed - so all are fed 01:24:27 Kat Haber: @Julie we have enough, we do not have willingness to share or well informed dsitribution systems 01:24:42 Julie Wolf: agreed 01:25:01 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Just got dropped. My power is out since yesterday afternoon. High winds in S. Cal - fire prevention. 01:25:13 Daniel Rieders: the voter - if we have choices of value, not wehat we have here in usa 01:25:50 Kat Haber: How might we incentivize getting the word out or biz for good? 01:26:00 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Kat - taxes need to reframed to the support system they are instead of ripping off the payer. 01:26:08 Julie Wolf: " We;ve gpt tp get the word out that there is a viable choice". John Montgomery 01:26:20 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: Not really. Consumers are made. That is what advertising has created. Voters very often feel their job is done once they have voted. and do not actively follow policy and legislation. They are not trained. Legal literacy has been kept out of the education system. 01:26:36 Julie Wolf: " We've got to get the word out that there is a viable alternative". John Montgomery 01:26:38 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Exactly Malini 01:27:04 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Marketing has gotten us greed and Trump it can also change things! 01:28:09 Kat Haber: Education takes time. How might we leverage these tech tools to amplify global communications? TED recently hosted a climate 6 hour conference that partnered with 500 NGO’s still the reach is limited even within the most well known brands. How do we Xponentialize these behavior changes and learning what is possible? 01:28:19 Daniel Rieders: 150 max 01:28:53 Kat Haber: LOVE< LOVE< LOVE! 01:29:06 Daniel Rieders: this is so frustrating, there must be a faster hardwired paradigm to transform 01:29:51 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: An old PBS series The Public Mind I use in my classes showed very effectively how consumers are created and how technology is used to manipulate us. 01:30:20 Daniel Rieders: I think - people fundamentally DO NOT have an optimistic view of the future 01:30:38 Kathryn Alexander, MA: She’s an old activist!! 01:30:45 Leo Jacoby: Judy Wicks Beautiful Business 01:31:09 Julie Wolf: Thanks Neela- interesting. 01:31:41 Kat Haber: Multinationals are ruling us now. 01:32:21 Daniel Rieders: Medtronic - I know well. I have worked with them for decades, bigger than an 800 pound gorilla, chew them cup for snack 01:32:40 Kat Haber: Medtronic, Minnesota co taken over by investors? Moved to Ireland to avoid paying US taxes> 01:32:46 Daniel Rieders: Ed 01:33:05 Daniel Rieders: Ed Bakken started Medtroonics in his garage 01:33:20 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Tax reform - seen as community good 01:33:37 Daniel Rieders: Vaccine companies are exempt from litigation 01:34:31 Daniel Rieders: FCC says 5G cannot be fought, it is necessary to make america great, no litigation, no health lawsuits… 01:34:38 Kat Haber: Others transcending nation-states externalizing: Xtractors, info tech, pharma, banks, financiers, others? Owe nothing to our nation states. 01:34:50 Bruce Schuman: We need an international loyalty to fundamental universal principles -- not specialized around one sector, but mediating between sectors in a whole-systems and illuminated way... 01:35:30 Kat Haber: PARADOX: being deeply rooted in our places while understanding that we belong to each other? 01:35:32 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Bruce - yes - the Resilient Values Set… 01:35:38 Kat Haber: globally 01:36:07 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: Transition Town adpted Time Banking with edgar khan and they did develop software 01:36:28 Kat Haber: Global corporate income tax treaty/policy racing to the bottom…Accountants-where is their ethics? 01:36:35 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: A great idea, global corporate income tax 01:36:45 Bruce Schuman: no national loyalty -- it's an outdated concept in a world with no borders.... 01:37:31 Daniel Rieders: bruce just like corona virus 01:38:00 Kat Haber: How do we have transnational corps with consistent rules in a split country that wants to retreat? 01:38:09 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Who would manage this? UN? or? 01:39:00 Daniel Rieders: how would we get countries to buy in to a global taxation 01:39:13 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: Race to the bottom has created the global 1% and extreme wealth disparity 01:39:26 Julie Wolf: Russ asks, who would get that global tax money John? 01:40:52 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: John: You cannot have a uniform tax regime because different countries have different scales of economy. If corporations shift to other countries its because those countries have laws that make it easy for them to operate. 01:41:07 Kat Haber: Leo Strine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_E._Strine_Jr. 01:41:50 Kat Haber: We are going to need trillions to regenerate our home planet in the next 9 years. Let’s start there and work back? 01:42:27 Kat Haber: Time is on our side forcing our focus to what must happen if we want to survive. 01:43:09 Natalie (she/her): The lack of transparency Re: Bcorps is problematic. There are quite a number of corporations with B Corp certifications that engage in tax avoidances, exploitation, etc. These are no legal structures that can or will hold them accountable and liable if they engage in problematic behaviors. 01:44:16 Bruce Schuman: we need a global homeostasis of justice and negotiation -- woven at a network level 01:44:40 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Natalie - proof? 01:44:43 Amy McKenzie: Exceptionally good news! 01:45:12 Natalie (she/her): You can look up Etsy and their are numerous articles about Bcorps and tax avoidance 01:46:10 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: work through local Tribes and Faith Based entries to stay tax free 01:46:13 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Natalie - https://www.ecommercebytes.com/2017/11/30/etsy-gives-b-corp-status-maintain-corporate-structure/ 01:46:21 Kat Haber: Consider the tax bennies the state of Wisconsin offered Foxconn and 3 years later those families who have had to move to make way for the behemoth Apple supplier. Roads were built for 13,000 workers and no plant, no workers, no jobs still are there. Many lost their homes to accommodate the guerrilla like tactics. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/wisconsin-foxconn-factory-residents-displaced?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1 01:47:02 Kat Haber: This was all about tax policy negotiations. Same with Amazon in Brooklyn. 01:48:22 Natalie (she/her): https://www.ocpp.org/2015/08/28/blog20150928-tax-avoidance-etsy/ 01:48:59 Kat Haber: replacing greed with generosity, replacing self-focused with selflessness, replacing taking with giving, replacing being served with serving…flipping the script according to indigenous is needed as we are living in an upside down world. 01:49:33 John Montgomery: American Promise is working on the amendment. 01:50:03 Bruce Schuman: make a list of those "surge sources" -- and conceive a strategy to network and harmonize them -- that is the job i think needs development..... 01:50:27 Stanley Pokras: Yes, John.... Move To Amend is another organization working to end Corporate personhood. 01:50:30 Daniel Rieders: brillaint LESLEY 01:50:56 Daniel Rieders: if you win the rat race, you are still a rat 01:51:02 Ken Haldenstein: Lesley’s teaching reminds me of A Course in Miracles which I am studying 01:51:10 Stanley Pokras: Another group working in a similar direction, is Represent.us 01:52:09 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: How did the message of Jesus get so misused that led to exploitative entities like East India company 01:52:22 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Jeremy Lent - Patterning Instinct 01:53:03 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: SORRY 01:53:16 Kat Haber: John: https://www.lexultima.com/people-1 01:53:37 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: WRONG don’t open. 01:53:48 Kat Haber: Thanks you all! We belong to each other. 01:54:42 Kathryn Alexander, MA: The choir has been growing... 01:54:44 Bruce Schuman: do these memes need to be woven together under a single model or vision? 01:54:50 Natalie (she/her): Virality is often manufactured and seeded 01:54:54 Daniel Rieders: the documentary has to be a great documentary for impact 01:56:22 Bruce Schuman: there are hundreds of semi-independent but very important elements 01:56:30 Lesley Southwick-Trask: https://www.jeremylent.com/the-patterning-instinct.html 01:56:51 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: Environmental impact must feature as a liability and an asset on the accounting statements of companies. 01:57:07 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Malini - yes 01:57:40 Stanley Pokras: ====== How Wealth Rules the World - the book: About the Crisis of DEMOCRACY, LAW, Money and the Environment: The Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund (CELDF) is building a movement for Community Rights and the Rights of Nature to advance democratic, economic, social, and environmental rights – building upward from the grassroots to the state, federal, and international level. https://celdf.org/ CELDEF published a book that reveals the most important environmental and legal blockages to democracy and the rights of communities and nature by Ben G. Price "How Wealth Rules the World" It describes how the U.S. Supreme Court has been and still is a choir for the Theology of Property. . ===== 01:58:01 Bruce Schuman: no longer stand-alone -- but interconnected -- and do this consciously and intentionally, because we see it - not "wait for it to happen by itself" 01:58:17 Amy McKenzie: And how can we access your documentary? 01:58:21 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: Thank you for HOPE! 01:58:22 Julie Wolf: What Leslie sais seems like a pretty good party (the Power gain perty), so how can we make a better party where the army of the people AND the Top Corp Dogs are eager to play? Tax policy that rewards both people and CorpBusiness for good Planet-People activity 01:59:00 Julie Wolf: . When you give your email in the chat here (if you have not yet) ... you will be sent the Humanity Rising recorded video and chat and more. The once Daily email you get from ChatPeople compiling Chats, Videos and Resource links from both HR and this after ChatPeople will be delivered via links to OtherNetworks.org There-are-links-to-all-humanity-rising-panel-sessions-andthefull-transcriptions You-can-add-your-websites-any-projects-you-are-working-on Plus-all-the-details-of-organisations-who-haven-taken-part Please also add a Page on www.OtherNetworks.org with the "Add a page" button on the Home page about your self, your projects and your networks and organizations. . 02:01:09 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: Excellent John 02:01:19 Amy McKenzie: Thank you John! 02:01:35 Kurt Krueger, SuccessSystemsInternational.net: Gracias John 02:01:43 John Montgomery: jmontgomery@lexultima.com 02:02:20 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: How does the Gift Economy fit in to next steps ? 02:02:43 Julie Wolf: yes good Q RuthAnn 02:05:19 Julie Wolf: Russ agrees Dan, about leaders not knowing themselves of their own ability to create. We the people look to them for guildance. 02:06:14 Julie Wolf: The power is already in our hands. What we are doing is accepting it. 02:07:04 Bruce Schuman: "meet in the middle" 02:07:39 Bruce Schuman: absolutely yes 02:07:43 Shannon McArthur: all stories will merge in the end… 02:07:52 RuthAnn Lenapehoking: a huge part of my training in the late 90s in South Africa, was incorporating laundering of language as a discipline and prerequisite 02:13:20 Shannon McArthur: creating survey forms one of the things Malini excels at 02:14:07 Natalie (she/her): https://www.nowwhat2020.com/ has a https://kumu.io/ that displays our network visually. https://kumu.io/ben-roberts/now-what#home/clustered-needs-offers 02:14:48 Shannon McArthur: NATALIE!! are you saying it already exists ??? 02:15:12 Shannon McArthur: can we plug that in? 02:17:32 Kathryn Alexander, MA: Nice resources Nataalie! now what seems to be much like what they are creating at the Press conference group 02:19:39 Julie Wolf: This conversation makes me want to fill our that 5 Questions (How do we Act as one) again. From the point of view of our Jan and March Project by ChatAction people. Can I Malini? Would it help do you think? (asking everyone) 02:19:49 Shannon McArthur: SEEDS also has a map showing who is where and using the platform/alternate currency. 02:21:09 Shannon McArthur: SEEDS uses Discord 02:22:38 Kathryn Alexander, MA: I’ve had trouble with Discord and it’s focused on gamers. WhatNow is quite brilliant 02:22:52 Julie Wolf: Can a group of this size, make a a surge happen globally Leslie? Wha re ideal numers? Do we split up tasks groups of what size is best? 02:23:27 Shannon McArthur: https://www.nowwhat2020.com/ 02:24:32 Shannon McArthur: leaders need followers or they are not leaders. We are moving from “it’s all about me” 02:26:06 Natalie (she/her): Bruce, I would actually think you would find it to be quite interesting. But these network maps should fit in a container of sorts. NowWhat is a global gathering that is the container where people are actively contributing to the process, space and calendar via generosity 02:28:02 Amy McKenzie: Spot on Lesley! 02:29:20 Bruce Schuman: I've been on Kumu. I have built Kumu maps. 02:33:32 Daniel Rieders: karpman’s triangle 02:33:34 Stanley Pokras: Charlie who visited with us yesterday is an author and community organizer. I've made a page for him in OtherNetworks: https://othernetworks.org/Charles_Bensinger 02:33:50 Shannon McArthur: ty Stan 02:33:56 Julie Wolf: Empowering vs Saving 02:34:22 Daniel Rieders: i think what is needed is the dance of dual and non-dual 02:35:13 Julie Wolf: Co-creation hmmm 02:35:26 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: Yes, indeed Daniel. Someone has to teach the dance! 02:36:24 Daniel Rieders: Veela - you seem to have “mad dance skills” 02:36:34 Daniel Rieders: neela* 02:36:46 Julie Wolf: yes - check Charlie out - turns out he is brilliant! 02:37:13 Julie Wolf: OtherNetworks: https://othernetworks.org/Charles_Bensinger 02:41:03 Ken Haldenstein: I have to leave now, thank you all! 02:41:09 Eliot R: Where are the survey questions? 02:41:40 Natalie (she/her): Ill post it Eliot 02:41:46 Shannon McArthur: we will find the link for the survey and post it here… right, Malini? 02:41:52 Shannon McArthur: or Natalie? 02:42:18 Natalie (she/her): https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/7GHW8D9 02:42:33 Shannon McArthur: thank you SO much… 02:42:35 Eliot R: thanks! 02:42:36 Julie Wolf: Connecting cities - hmmm gotta find that link to NWPermacultureConvergence.org Directory for Eugene OR man I know names Jan - Urben Permaculture 02:43:01 Amy McKenzie: That's wonderful Stan! 02:47:18 Julie Wolf: https://www.northwestpermaculture.org/directory.html Look for Jan (gotta find his last name...) slow browser loading time... sorry 02:47:27 Eliot R: Need to run. Thanks for the stimulating discussion! 02:47:47 Julie Wolf: Urban Permaculture 025 yrs - on eugene OR Jan 02:49:11 Julie Wolf: Malinin do we need to talk?