12:33:16 From Dianne Brause : Dianne.brause@yahoo.com 00:40:00 Daniel: interested in the cloaking of the Kabbalah, the opaqueness 00:40:01 sallyannett: welcome 00:40:08 Daniel: I like the word numinous 00:40:18 Richard Buckley: https://kedumah.org/ 00:44:21 Kurt Krueger: how would the Kabbalah guide the development and implementation of the Ministry/Department of Peace? 00:44:58 Amy McKenzie: Great inquiry Kurt! 00:46:59 marciaraffstudio: I lived in Gainesville, Fla, where he came to visit and speak to Behira nd Shaya Isenberg 00:47:44 Daniel: #marcia, i use to live in Ocala 00:48:01 marciaraffstudio: So did I! 00:49:16 Daniel: the feminine from a sanskrit, buddhist, tao, inka lineage are all the same, with nuances 00:50:39 Daniel: masculine structure, feminine movement 00:51:28 Daniel: …. 00:53:21 Kurt Krueger: if you’re interested in developing the Ministry/Department of Peace - with all its parts and iterations, SuccessSystemsInternational@gmail.com Kurt Krueger ~ contact me :) 00:54:43 Daniel: sutra level, tantric level, dzougchen level - work at all three levels, if work is the best word 00:55:33 Oriana: I have a question regarding the 72 names of God and the vibrational geometry they form. 00:56:50 Daniel: the many names of god, the un-nameable 00:56:51 Oriana: I have a question 00:56:57 JT: Hi there this is Jenna and I have a question for Zvi 00:57:04 DonnaJoy: djnaovsky@hotmail.com 00:57:17 marciaraffstudio: Where is Zvi teaching now? 00:57:18 DonnaJoy: djanovsky@hotmail.com (correction) 00:57:34 Zvi Ish-Shalom: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcqcu-hrTkiG9C6wf3Tp33NqjHneJsDNQGx 00:58:26 Oriana: I have also had my hand raised and would like to ask a question. 00:59:00 Lesley Southwick-Trask: I will be going to JT and then Oriana 00:59:31 Oriana: Lesley are you seeing the raised hands that show up when you go to participants? 01:00:41 Lesley Southwick-Trask: The zoom tool of raising hands is not visible on my computer = so let’s use this process of indicating in the chat 01:02:54 Daniel: assume, we are in heaven, we are heaven, heaven is us 01:03:51 Daniel: assume, is just a stage, more like dissolve 01:04:16 Daniel: penetration is a masculine principle, 01:04:31 Daniel: receiving is both masculine and feminine 01:05:31 Jon Harvey: You must first have the participants list showing on the side, before you can raise your hand. It's a two-step 01:05:49 Kurt Krueger: Assume all ‘others’ experience the heaven we do, does that affect them to experience it more? 01:06:06 Stanley Pokras: Ariana has her hand up... 01:06:17 Stanley Pokras: Oriana 01:06:37 Daniel: Often with trauma there are energetic overlays, need to be removed, prior to deep spiritual work 01:06:45 Lesley Southwick-Trask: yes she is next 01:06:47 Daniel: it may show up as opaqueness 01:07:20 Kurt Krueger: Traumatic Tapping with Ulf Sandstrom is useful. 01:07:27 Daniel: the overlays disconnects the person from the song of their soul 01:07:28 Lesley Southwick-Trask: thanks Jon 01:07:35 Jon Harvey: And you also need to activate the participants list on the right to see if anyone has their hand raised 01:08:25 sallyannett: the-school-of-the-soul-meditationishelpful 01:08:32 Daniel: in one of my traditions, it is all about ti, the light, misnomer calling the ink the people of the sun, they are people, we are people, of the light 01:08:48 Daniel: inka 01:10:58 Daniel: I am glad to see everyone here, instead of Amazon, black friday hahahah 01:11:21 sallyannett: it-is-a-lecture-in-its-own-right 01:11:38 Daniel: today is indigenous heritage day - in respect 01:12:01 Kurt Krueger: Mitquiasin 01:12:17 sallyannett: they-relate-in-part-toasrtology 01:12:17 Kurt Krueger: All our Relations 01:12:18 Jon Harvey: Today is "shining light" Friday for us 01:12:33 Lesley Southwick-Trask: Indeed it is Jon! 01:12:44 sallyannett: 72-divisions-out-of-360 01:12:55 sallyannett: of-a-circle 01:13:02 Stanley Pokras: The universe is infinite... we are not capable of 'KNOWING' .... Thus the concepts of naming is meaningless. There is no name for something that is everything... 01:13:17 Jon Harvey: 72 times 5 is 360 01:13:20 Daniel: indeed, all of our relationships 01:14:22 sallyannett: yup-jonx 01:14:27 Shannon McArthur: that would be ‘Now’ 01:14:27 Stanley Pokras: Of Course, curiosity is a basic nature of everything. So the effort to name the un-namable in response to curiosity. 01:14:47 Daniel: as we are always in the physical world, and simultaneously in the non-physical world, we dance between them - there is NO PROBLEM 01:15:27 Lesley Southwick-Trask: I am about to go to Annette 01:15:36 Daniel: it depends on what we do - intention… 01:15:54 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: In the Shiv puran it is said that as the creative pattern ( the icosohedraon and the Merkeba spun and as each side faced the creator it emanated a certain frequency which was translated into sound ( spundan to put it grossly) but this is how those that heard this sound translated it into words based on what they were able to hear. Just one way of looking at the "names of god". 01:15:55 Daniel: g’bye Lesley ST 01:16:28 Daniel: sorry, you are moving the dialogue Lesley 01:16:30 Kurt Krueger: What me worried? 01:17:04 Lesley Southwick-Trask: Daniel ? 01:17:04 Stanley Pokras: The effort of naming and knowing the infinite of which we are part, can be understood as a cat or dog who chases its tail... We need to treat each other better, and stop worrying about something we can not know. 01:17:43 Daniel: not that we cannot know, what is beyond knowable, word bound, formlessness, light, that we are 01:18:47 Daniel: word brain processes at 40 bps, non-verbal 40 million bits per second 01:19:44 Daniel: our minds are always scanning reality to make sense - illusionary 01:19:46 Anne-Marie Goncalves Desai: Does that mean that our cells know and recognize it 01:19:47 Stanley Pokras: So, my question of Zvi is how can tradition and study of the nature of meaning be trained on the problem of people wanting more and more of the elements of our planet and control over each other? 01:21:40 Daniel: it is about your life experience, which varies from males to females, capable of understanding spirit, 01:21:54 Daniel: which i won’t argue with traditions 01:24:53 sallyannett: non-hebraic-kabbalistic-teachers-;dion-fortune, dolores-ashcroft-norwicki, zev-ben-shimon-halevi, colin-a-low and many more - stephen-popes patterns of creation 01:25:10 Leo Jacoby: https://www.tikkun.org/zvi-ish-shaloms-primordial-torah Review of The Kedumah Experience The Primordial Torah by Zvi Ish-Shalom (Albion-Andalus, 2017) By Aubrey L. Glazer | April 17, 2018 01:25:23 sallyannett: thank-you leo 01:25:28 Jon Harvey: I have taken several classes from Stephen Pope. 01:25:42 sallyannett: he is wonderful jon 01:25:49 Jon Harvey: The first two were on the Hebrew alphabet, and a Kabbalistic reading of the Ten COmmandments 01:25:50 Oriana: Thank you Zvi, I feel the geometry of sound so I am interested in exploring the vibration of that originates the 72 names. I appreciate your insight that it is all vibration of sound creating geometry creating form from the formlessness. 01:25:52 Daniel: are we talking spiritual snobbery? 01:26:33 Jon Harvey: Well, there is a temptation to snobbery, but we must avoid it. 01:26:35 sallyannett: possibly daniel - linguistic hierarchy perhaps - but it is just another language x 01:26:43 Oriana: Oriana joymari@mac.com 01:27:07 sallyannett: thank-you oriana-i -loved-your-session x 01:27:14 Shannon McArthur: hold it so you/they have power? to confer the wisdom as you/they will? ack 01:27:32 Daniel: other way, suppose you are already in the void, then these portals are tools to utilize to work with others 01:27:33 Shannon McArthur: make it inaccessible! POWER. 01:27:50 sallyannett: i think there is some confusion - zvi-is not teacher traditional kabbalah 01:28:00 Oriana: Thank you Sally! I appreciate the opportunity to speak to one so deeply knowing! 01:28:04 Jon Harvey: "power without love" in what Martin Luther King would say 01:28:28 Daniel: power without love, sounds like force, not power 01:29:11 Daniel: even if we learn sanskrit or whatever, we will not get the sounds correctly 01:29:18 Shannon McArthur: now is the time for MOST PEOPLE. how will Kabbalah serve us now? 01:29:29 Jon Harvey: StarHawk makes the distinction between "power-over" vs. "power-from-within". She advises we seek the second of these 01:29:36 sallyannett: his-school is- kedumah-not kabbalah 01:29:56 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: Absolutely Daniel Power without Love and Compassion is Force. 01:30:22 Jon Harvey: yes, Kedumah and Kabbalah are close cousins but different. 01:31:56 sallyannett: and a woman1 01:32:21 Oriana: I have to go, thank you for the insightful talk and interaction! Looking forward to exploring more. 01:33:02 Zvi Ish-Shalom: https://kedumah.org/workshops 01:33:42 Shannon McArthur: Oriana, thank you for speaking! 01:33:53 Natalie: Goooo kurtttt 01:36:54 Leo Jacoby: Paying attention to the white space between the letters to re-member the whole. I remembered The World of Silence, a contemplative work by Max Picard (link entered in chat at 10:38 CST 01:38:26 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: I vividly re-membered the chapter I wrote called Shakti Shekhinah in my book Absent Mother God of the West many years ago. Your teaching made Her concrete and actual. So appreciated this art of the feminine you beautifully described that I call the Mother Principle. 01:39:06 Kathryn Alexander, MA: remembering the power of the frequency of the words and letters bring the vibration of the divine 01:42:03 sallyannett: breath-is so important in this process of speaking words and vowels 01:42:20 Zvi Ish-Shalom: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcqcu-hrTkiG9C6wf3Tp33NqjHneJsDNQGx 01:42:37 sallyannett: thank you zvi 01:43:07 Daniel: I always worry about spiritual bypass 01:43:41 sallyannett: i would still like to hear other questions jon 01:44:32 Natalie: Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0😂😂❤️❤️ 01:44:40 Shannon McArthur: ty Nat1 01:45:29 Natalie: ❤️ 01:47:16 Shannon McArthur: Maybe Sally!! 01:49:35 sallyannett: devotion, contemplation and action are the three ways 01:49:48 sallyannett: there is no one way x 01:50:34 Daniel: structure - masculine, flow - feminine 01:51:20 Daniel: creation is more a feminine principle 01:51:53 Shannon McArthur: but without the structure it’s just a flood!! 01:52:38 Daniel: being light - is helpful 01:52:58 Malini Rajendran - Infinite Life: Stan its unknowable but not inexperienceable. 01:53:10 Natalie: Natalie is not here right now. Please leave a message after the beep 😂😂😳 01:53:28 sallyannett: and not everyone runs on the same energy x 01:53:33 Daniel: hahahaha natalie 01:53:34 Kurt Krueger: Malini, yes. :) 01:53:41 sallyannett: lots of people haven’t spoken 01:54:05 Natalie: I can 01:54:07 Daniel: i like to dismember, and then re-membering 01:54:13 sallyannett: franca, suzanne, ed, jon,loren, 01:54:35 sallyannett: natalie1 01:54:39 Stanley Pokras: Malini - not inexperienceable. - that sounds just right. Thank you. 01:55:34 Natalie: I’m still sick and can’t talk ❤️ 01:55:41 sallyannett: yod-he-vav-he- also translates as i eve… 01:56:02 Neela.Saxena@ncc.edu: My book Absent Mother God of the West: A Kali Lover's Journey into Christianity and Judaism touches upon some of my intuition about Shakti Shekhinah https://neelabhattacharyasaxena.com/ 01:56:20 sallyannett: thank you neela 01:56:20 Loren Olson: thank you today first time I managed to come here but have to leave now. Blessings with all. 01:56:46 sallyannett: thank you for joining us loren x 01:56:54 Stanley Pokras: Thankk you Loren. Do you receive our mailings? 01:58:09 marciaraffstudio: Lesly, tomorrow? 01:58:21 Daniel: the word brain only processes at 40 bps, the non-verbal brain 40 million bps. Why not trust the bigger processor? 01:58:36 Lesley Southwick-Trask: December 5 is the workhop 01:58:51 marciaraffstudio: thx, Lesley 02:00:26 Daniel: Would like to acknowledge Lesley ST for her marvelous moderating, and everyone else here 02:00:38 marciaraffstudio: I think it was Bruce who posted the rules for keep a Circle functioning properly but I can’t find it now. Anyone remember where I cn find that info? 02:00:58 sallyannett: said daniel - brilliant job 02:02:02 Daniel: brilliant yes! 02:02:25 marciaraffstudio: Daniel..I agree Lesley needs to be acknowledged for the wonderful way she moderates these sessions!! 02:02:32 Shannon McArthur: gardening is tending the Mother!!! Divine work 02:02:54 Kurt Krueger: Lesley, You keep rocking it. :) as usual. 02:03:28 Kurt Krueger: Please send this letter… WOW. 02:04:18 Daniel: sent kurt 02:04:19 Shannon McArthur: Without HR we would not be here… bless them. 02:04:26 Jon Harvey: For the time being, I am never able to come to these sessions on either Tuesday or Wednesday. But I love coming the other three days 02:04:28 Kurt Krueger: Letters to My Son, Kent Nerburn. Reminds me of your letter. :) 02:04:42 sallyannett: please send it to me daniel x 02:04:59 marciaraffstudio: Kurt please sene me the letters..Daniel..please 02:05:13 Shannon McArthur: to all of us, send it ALLLLL 02:05:22 marciaraffstudio: Shannon..it was Stan’s idea that we meet 02:05:31 marciaraffstudio: Thx Stan! 02:05:34 Natalie: adioss 02:05:58 Kurt Krueger: A Dios 02:05:59 marciaraffstudio: feel good..!