12:33:45 From Rajinder Jhol : so wonderful and thank you Stan for making this happen 12:34:03 From Rajinder Jhol : it was an important and moving conversation 12:35:48 From franka strietzel : unconditional basic income UBI 12:36:11 From Kat Haber : Beyond taxation policy how might rebalancing of resources happen for ENOUGHNESS? 12:36:22 From Rajinder Jhol : because we have empty hearts to start with 12:37:16 From Kurt Krueger : Energizing ~ Become aware of our word usage. Use empowering words. Let us take inhibiting energy words out of our vocabulary. We don’t ‘Try,’ We ‘DO’. We “get to” rather than “have TO.” Rather than “teach them,” “we get to learn,” It is not “If we” - it is “when we”… Etc. 12:37:51 From Tim Heide : probably they did it for the shareholders 12:37:55 From Kurt Krueger : Rajinder, The hearts are ALL full. Peop[le simply haven’t turned within… 12:38:05 From Rajinder Jhol : we have been rigged by the financial system... but it’s so difficult to réalise and accept that as a starting point 12:38:45 From Rajinder Jhol : yes... empty hearts 12:39:01 From Larry Cashion : The energy surrounding how we in western society gain has created greed mentality and fear of loss. Can the current U.S. President be the highest symbolic metaphor of that mindset materialized, and can that also be the metaphor symbolizing the Number of the Beast. That is it is not literal, but a symbol as to when society reaches this point, a new consciousness will dawn. That money move from mind to heart Change the thought ”The person with the most at the end wins” 12:39:20 From Kat Haber : ENoughness a function of our own inner knowing that we are self-valued, enough, without needing to overstimulating is avoiding pain. What is it to be whole, worthy, belonging instead of longing? 12:39:37 From Tim Heide : What does it mean to drive a Porsche? 12:40:00 From Maurits Hoenders : I highly recommend the work of Brene Brown, the power of vulnerability 12:40:01 From Stanley Pokras : Join the Email list for this group by writing stan@communitymagic.org 12:40:09 From Clarice Hirata : How can i gain access to this recording? I am not able to stay on this…thank you 12:40:28 From Diane Skidmore : @Kat Brilliant!!! 12:40:41 From David S : Re Enough: 12:41:05 From David S : “We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time…
Through the unknown, unremembered
Gate where the last of earth left to 
Discover is that which was the beginning…
Quick now, here, now, always -
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and all
Manner of things shall be well…” 12:41:07 From Kat Haber : I remain in isolation from COVID-have had food delivered only. listened for 15 weeks twice weekly with youth, elders, Xperts, BGO, CEO’s for COVID Clues, Climate Acts, Local Impacts. No driving, no flying. We belong to each other. 12:41:10 From Kurt Krueger : Pachamama.org - Lynn’s current project. 12:41:14 From David S : (TS Elliot 12:41:14 From Diane Skidmore : @clarice if you put your email address here in the chat we'll send you a recording xxx 12:41:18 From Stanley Pokras To Clarice Hirata(privately) : Write me to join the email list for this group. we publish the chat from HR and here each day. 12:41:19 From Tim Heide : As Long ther has somebody mor ist not enough 12:41:42 From Tim Heide : In case you really have the most, take care it stays that way 12:41:54 From Shannon McArthur : Many are new today, thank you for joining us — we’ve been preparing for you, and now learning how to welcome you in a good way… please mute when you are not speaking … use the tools of the environment to catch Lesley’s attention — she can serve us best that way. 12:41:55 From Clarice Hirata To Stanley Pokras(privately) : clarice@hiratadesigns.com, thank you so much! 12:41:56 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Larry C - yes Mr. T epitomizes that point of view. Hopefully many can see, really see what that looks like. 12:42:31 From Stanley Pokras : Write me to join the email list for this group. we publish the chat from HR and here each day.
stan@communitymagic.org 12:42:38 From Patricia Klauer : David S - TS Eliot has accompanied me since I was 14 years old - thank you 12:42:41 From Rajinder Jhol : perhaps it’s like Freud would say... it’s all about sex... the desire and to be desired, the fashion and fashionable and the sexy and the hot all illusions because we don’t have sexual intimacy and cannot move beyond 12:43:04 From Kat Haber : Abundance flip side of scarcity! Sufficiency~enoughness.Lynne Twist Pachamam Alliance Soul fo $ -supports indigenous in the Amazon. 12:43:11 From Diane Skidmore : Gosh @Kat xxx You definitely belong to us and we belong to you!!! Didn't realise you had been isolated all that time!! 12:43:38 From franka strietzel : check out Lynne Twist on YouTube 12:43:45 From Stanley Pokras : You can also simply put your email in this chat to be added to our email list. 12:43:53 From David S : If you’re not there yet, get ready for the “condition of complete simplicity,” it’s going to be quite a ride… David Stoney 12:43:55 From Diane Skidmore : And lok - there you are again xxx 12:44:03 From Doreen Tanenbaum : Nice to be with you all! Keeping Enough in the forefront of ones priority 12:44:10 From Rajinder Jhol : you know.. asking the question to many « when is enough «  might backfire .. and rightfully so 12:44:37 From Maurits Hoenders : I need to go. Thank you everyone for your presence and what you share. Let’s create a Care First World together! 12:44:47 From Rajinder Jhol : because I am ! 12:44:52 From Rajinder Jhol : beautiful 12:45:09 From Stanley Pokras : @David - we need to talk - “condition of complete simplicity" fits nicely with my idea for the Age of Helpfulness. 12:45:15 From Rajinder Jhol : which verb did we first learn « to have » or « to be » 12:45:40 From Patricia Klauer : Thank you all!! I need to leave now but I so appreciate all of you, your deep caring, insight and you all inspire me!! Muchas gracias!! 12:46:48 From Rajinder Jhol : thank you. we are empty hearts seeking security outside 12:47:09 From Simon Stedman : cfo@findhorn.org 12:47:11 From Doreen Tanenbaum : tanenbaumd@gmail.com 12:48:02 From Kurt Krueger : Countdown - GREAT 12:48:15 From Clear Sky Center : karen@clearskycenter.org or karen@themindfulmoneycoach.com 12:49:21 From Louis Bohtlingk : For your list. daretocare@carefirstworld.com 12:49:36 From Tim Heide : 7 Generation longterm Investments on Wallstreet? 12:49:47 From Kat Haber : Sophie Howe on Future proofing future generations from COUNTDOWN. 12:49:56 From Rajinder Jhol : do you think bird have the same pain ? knowing where they will eat? 12:50:26 From Rajinder Jhol : this conversation is so important for all people to heal and discover truth 12:50:37 From Tim Heide : I trvveled in India too. I saw terrible Things. Selfworth wont fill my belly 12:50:44 From Kat Haber : Sophie’s talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/sophie_howe_lessons_on_leaving_the_world_better_than_you_found_it?language=en 12:52:13 From Rajinder Jhol : faith / spiritual / providence 12:52:22 From Rajinder Jhol : and trusting 12:52:25 From Rajinder Jhol : so true 12:52:26 From Tim Heide : You dont, u knew uwouldnt die on hunger. if i lose everything in nowhere i somehow get western union, call the embassy 12:53:02 From Tim Heide : all of us just cant imagina. Maybe Ina 12:53:02 From Diane Skidmore : And as an opposite situation to India - we have people who have been educated (maybe after the war) that we need to go for cheap. So we have created a world that mass produces with no thought for the planet or the creatures or the land. Next step a small amount of quality is better than a ton of cheap xxx 12:54:02 From Rajinder Jhol : diane, today even big brands make cheap - programmed obsolescence 12:54:38 From Rajinder Jhol : people care if you allow them to care - providence in action 12:54:53 From Diane Skidmore : Exactly. That's why we need to use our People Power. Buy quality - not cheap. 12:55:07 From Infinite Life - Malini Rajendran : Ive just heard this on another chat forum that is working on planetary solutions:Share it on all your platforms. this is seriously disturbing when the governmens vote for anti nature policies. https://www.birdlife.org/europe-and-central-asia/news/press-release-european-parliament-socialists-EPP-renew-CAP-deal-Leak-13Oct2020 12:55:08 From Rajinder Jhol : it’s also a gift to give and also to receive.. so true... allow the flow 12:55:16 From Daniel Rieders : Also saying, You Are Welcome 12:55:34 From Daniel Rieders : ever read Soul of Money, Lynne Twist? 12:56:10 From Rajinder Jhol : love is the heart of the universe 12:56:48 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Rajinder - yes! 12:57:09 From Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder Thank you xxx 12:58:16 From Rajinder Jhol : when we lack, I encourage us to give. we might surprise ourselves of what we have to give 12:58:47 From Daniel Rieders : Safety is very important 12:59:07 From Rajinder Jhol : we are here to explore - so true. and we are not taking a single dollar with us in our way out. 12:59:32 From Simon Stedman : that's so awesome Karen 12:59:58 From Kurt Krueger : A dear friend - famous actor in Australia, went homeless for a week Video taped for TV, MOST TRANSFORMATIVE experience for him… Cameron Daddo is his name. :) 13:00:15 From Rajinder Jhol : thank you speaker 🙏 13:00:37 From Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder - similar with love. To those who feel unloved - try giving some. You will no doubt be surprised!! 13:01:06 From Daniel Rieders : I have learned to listen. If you are always talking, then you have no time to listen, all you bright ones 13:01:25 From Rajinder Jhol : @diane, each day I forgive myself and start again loving 13:02:06 From Daniel Rieders : There is a tone of separation from the homeless, we are them, they are us, there is no separation. 13:02:50 From Diane Skidmore : Gosh Rajinder Well done xxx 13:02:53 From Rajinder Jhol : there is no separation. we see. we feel. we are. we know. we choose a b c 13:03:23 From Daniel Rieders : I have a good story, my sister was homeless 13:03:50 From Tim Heide : Trust issu. last Weekend i went to to a bar where a refugee was working. she helped me with my findger the week before. told me she is doctor help. she spke Pretty good german. i went there one week later, asked About her, wanted to know how smart she is to tell her About School University so on. 13:03:57 From Daniel Rieders : with this economy there may be many more homeless 13:04:04 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @ Daniel - wow, hope that has changed 13:04:10 From Karen Ball : Seeing our shadow 13:04:28 From Daniel Rieders : Uncle Donald, is our shadow, inside and outside work. PLEASE VOTE. I already have 13:04:34 From Tim Heide : i wanted to leave my number. and everybody told me , she was helping and not working, because thats forbidden by law 13:04:36 From Doreen Tanenbaum : The Great Mystery is always on time…for us to see what we need to see. Thank you Larry! 13:05:05 From Remco Boerma : But that people is "us", right? 13:05:07 From Rajinder Jhol : yes, we birth out of the pain . 13:05:14 From Rajinder Jhol : thank you speaker 13:05:26 From Rajinder Jhol : wish I knew all your names 13:05:29 From Daniel Rieders : are there any take aways from today’s HR and our chat group 13:05:43 From Diane Skidmore : @Daniel - only recently close my door to homeless people. I love them - or better to say I used to love sharing comfort with them. Been there. Done that. "Home is where you hang your hat" we used to say. xxx 13:06:34 From Leo Jacoby : @Stanley your personal key is Helpfulness. One of the links Louis shared on his screen: https://www.weworldwide.info Note the inspirational "Personal Keys" of its members: Jules van Beek: In humility serving my wisdom. Sandra Bohtlingk: Unlocking and naming the temple in our heart Remco Boerma: Brings clarity and invites change to awaken dormant potential. Susan Davis: I trust my intuition to take risks around my values to find my destiny path of joy. Patricia Klauer: I hold space for emergence from the unknown into awareness Steven Lovink:True North - my compass informed by truth, trust and love as source code for life Mundo Resink:To restore the synergetic connection with ourselves, each other, and our environment. Delilah Verhoeven: Connect to the source to awaken life. Pieter Wackers: Listening, from a great height and depth, to the heart and what is needed. WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL KEY? 13:06:44 From Daniel Rieders : amazing story, Lesley. You need to write a book 13:07:26 From Karen McAllister : I need to go thank you everyone. Love to you all. 13:07:27 From David S : Thanks Larry, yes, this is a place we need to go through. Hopefully to get to a change in consciousness without a systems crash. Hope for the best prepare for the worst… David Stoney 13:07:40 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Leo - what a good topic for a chat! 13:07:52 From Diane Skidmore : @Daniel Is your sister OK? 13:08:08 From Shannon McArthur : thank you karen!! 13:08:40 From Daniel Rieders : @Diane, long story, got off the streets after 5 years, 13:08:55 From Simon Stedman : I need to leave now. Thank you so much for this space and this amazing time and conversation. Love from Findhorn!! 13:09:08 From Daniel Rieders : thank you simon 13:09:09 From Kurt Krueger : CU Simon 13:09:32 From Leo Jacoby : I find much of the messages today resonate with the wisdom of indigenous peoples as well as the great spiritual traditions, such as the virtue of poverty of spirit -- which St. Francis and others practiced literally in their vows of poverty. 13:09:41 From Daniel Rieders : church of the invisible heart - wow 13:10:25 From Daniel Rieders : Please remember the Triangle of Disempowerment, Karpman’s triangle 13:10:50 From Diane Skidmore : @Daniel An interesting conversation one day maybe - quite often I was aware that 'housing' some people would not necessarily be the best answer 13:11:20 From Shannon McArthur : @Diane, yes. 13:11:41 From Shannon McArthur : and that’s not the final answer... 13:11:44 From Shannon McArthur : it changes 13:11:56 From Infinite Life - Malini Rajendran : would like to throw a thought activity to the participants: how can we create 8 new currency : New types of currency: 1. Time and effort 2. Compassion 3. Love 4. Gratitude 5. Ideas 6. Solutions 7. Mentoring 8. Tutoring 13:12:18 From Rajinder Jhol : that’s so beautiful Louis.. would love to see that picture now 13:12:19 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Malini - nice 13:13:48 From Rajinder Jhol : thank you all. honored to share this time and pace with all of you. be blessed. the universe is listening. so open your hearts . the universe bless you all 13:13:54 From Stanley Pokras : My website, CommunityMagic.org has a section on receiving help. https://communitymagic.org/asking-for-help/ 13:14:10 From Shannon McArthur : thank you Rajinder, come back again! 13:14:15 From Kurt Krueger : CU again Rajinder. 13:14:29 From David S : Wealth, it seems to me, has no relation to happiness, but it is very close to fear particularly in the richer countries. Fear of not having enough is a fundamental part (the curse?) of the hyperindividualized mode of functioning that peaks at this stage of the earth’s climate cycling, i.e., this warm phase. The question, it seems to me, is what can bring us all together? It doesn’t look like either the climate crisis or the pandemic can break the hold of the God of Wealth. David Stoney 13:14:39 From Diane Skidmore : @Rajinder - Glad you came. Would have liked to see you. Where are you situated? 13:14:43 From Stanley Pokras : The singer Amanda Palmer has a wonderful talk on accepting help... https://communitymagic.org/public/AmandaPalmer_2013.mp4?_=1 13:15:39 From Cheryl : In Islam, the expression is: There is no god but God — La Ilana illa’llah. The small g god is money, possessions, ego, etc. And God is the Infinite Presence. 1400 years of wisdom… 13:17:08 From Leo Jacoby : @David https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gnh.asp King Jigme Singye Wangchuck told the Financial Times in a 1972 interview that “gross national happiness is more important than gross national product 13:18:19 From Tim Heide : thats why Netflix lost 7.5% today 13:18:19 From Diane Skidmore : Learning curves for the human being, eh 13:19:45 From Remco Boerma : From the standpoint of oneness and all-is-one, there is nothing else but love. They are exploring just as everyone 13:20:34 From Leo Jacoby : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness https://www.govloop.com/community/blog/gross-national-product-vs-gross-national-happiness/ In 1968, then Presidential candidate Bobby Kennedy gave a speech that challenged the use of the Gross National Product (GNP) as an ... https://hbr.org/2012/01/the-economics-of-well-being Nations' Human Development Index and the Kingdom of Bhutan's insistence that it is out to maximize not GNP or GDP but GNH—“gross national happiness.” 13:21:29 From Remco Boerma : <3 13:22:02 From Remco Boerma : Love the fact that you all have created a public safe-space. 13:22:53 From Diane Skidmore : And no such thing as co-incidence 13:23:09 From Leo Jacoby : http://www.carefirstworldwideweb.com/events/oct-26-28--meeting-the-mystery-of-money--workshop--61 13:23:54 From Cheryl : @Louis: questionnaire? 13:24:00 From Diane Skidmore : We have incredible power - where do we direct it? 13:24:24 From Louis Bohtlingk : http://www.carefirstworldwideweb.com/blog/building-a-care-first-world-together 13:26:44 From David S : Thanks everyone… health and wholeness - David Stoney 13:27:03 From Kurt Krueger : CU david 13:27:04 From Tim Heide : no, u r just worth less 13:27:56 From Diane Skidmore : Once the heart is massive and full, you stop worrying about money - that's why it would be good to see UBI 13:27:57 From David S : Yes Larry, heart consciousness more difficult to find if fear dominates… David Stoney 13:28:28 From David S : Let go of the fear… David 13:28:59 From Remco Boerma : Tot ziens Louis! 13:29:20 From Cheryl : Trump’s heart is so unbelievably wounded. 13:29:37 From Tim Heide : I think his brain is 13:29:40 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : @Cheryl - yes 13:30:00 From Leo Jacoby : @Stan: my earlier notation: On my bookshelf: The Holy Use of Money: Personal Finances in Light of Christian Faith BY John C. Haughey 1989. Can be borrowed at: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2209613M/The_holy_use_of_money "This book is the companion piece to our economic times, simply the best gathering of the Scriptures as an antidote to our mindless and self-driven affluence I have seen. . . . We all need this book in our daily lives; it will live with me." -- Arthur Jones, National Catholic Reporter "Father Haughey challenges Christians, on and off Wall St., to see money not as a reward, or protection, or even necessity, but as something quite simple and utilitarian -- a means of expressing their love for God.", -- Wall Street Journal "Scholarly, provocative, and challenging, this book will help its readers quit trying to serve God and Mammon." -- Bishop William E. McManus 13:30:12 From David S : Love to all…bye, bye… David Stoney 13:30:37 From Diane Skidmore : Trump as a person is unbelievably wounded!! Richard Barrett who spoke to HR explained. And we need to send warmth and blessings to him - it might help!! 13:30:56 From Shannon McArthur : Blessings of giving and receiving to all… I must be off — I love You! 13:31:38 From Diane Skidmore : Love to you Shannon xxxxx 13:31:48 From Kurt Krueger : We haven’t heard from some of our participants.. :) 13:31:58 From Larry Cashion To Stanley Pokras(privately) : What is the name of the book again please 13:32:15 From Shannon McArthur : blessing to the blind ones - may their eyes open and their hearts too… b4n 13:32:29 From Diane Skidmore : Absolutely - shall we invite them to speak? 13:32:54 From Kurt Krueger : In the Shoes of the Fisherman.. Anthony Quinn movie… Inspired 13:33:30 From Cheryl : Thank you Malini! 13:34:08 From Tim Heide : Start to destroy peoples trust 13:35:05 From Larry Cashion : Was the book called “the seven laws of money" 13:35:27 From Leo Jacoby : ."The Doctrine of Discovery not reviewed by Vatican in spite of it showing up in current court citations." @Kathryn thanks for the positive note from the Vatican. 13:35:27 From Diane Skidmore : This pope is very special!! 13:35:28 From Doreen Tanenbaum : Can you still see the TED Talks ? 13:35:33 From Stanley Pokras To Larry Cashion(privately) : Yes, by Michael Phillips 13:35:46 From Hilary Van Welter : Should be able to 13:36:32 From Leo Jacoby : https://www.ted.com/talks/his_holiness_pope_francis_why_the_only_future_worth_building_includes_everyone?language=en 13:36:48 From Kathryn Alexander, MA : YAY Leo! 13:36:49 From Karen Ball : thanks leo 13:36:55 From Leo Jacoby : https://www.ted.com/talks/his_holiness_pope_francis_our_moral_imperative_to_act_on_climate_change_and_3_steps_we_can_take?language=en 13:37:14 From Larry Cashion To Stanley Pokras(privately) : cosmocashion@gmail.com 13:37:15 From Hilary Van Welter : https://www.ted.com/series/countdown 13:37:40 From Stanley Pokras To Larry Cashion(privately) : The book I mentioned also is called How Wealth Rules the World, by Ben G. Price 13:38:36 From Tim Heide : bye