[ChatAction] Community Gardens

Sat Dec 26 19:20:47 MST 2020

and now I can offer a grander list!
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R1y_s0Atd3FMYNz_WF_1vNnaiVap12KtPwleaiqWZ4U/edit?usp=sharing>!
Thank you so much for the question... have a look and please,
suggest another question -- I loved putting the concept into words!

Cooking with gas!!
Shannon

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:34 PM Shannon McArthur <sparklingwithall at gmail.com>
wrote:

> otoh, I can offer this paragraph from my (old draft) Business Plan to
> start to address the question:
>
> There are similar iterations of the community gardening aspect of OHG
> (organizations like The Stop Food Bank <http://thestop.org/>, Green Bronx
> Machine <https://greenbronxmachine.org/>, etc.) but none I found combines
> indoor gardening with everyone working together while sharing culture and
> knowledge, nor do currently-existing organizations include/utilize the
> potential of linking multiple facilities within a city, both by transit
> (people come and produce goes) and the Internet (enabling a worldwide
> network). OHG provides an alternative for people on the streets, sitting
> home alone watching television or in bars, casinos, night clubs, bingo
> halls and video arcades. Organizations such as homeless shelters,
> restaurants and service agencies who partner with OHG will be able to
> combine efforts with our facilities, and be better able to reach their
> target market, informing local people of the services they offer. Indoor
> hydroponic gardens can use up to 90% less water
> <http://www.greensociety.co/aquaponics/> and effort, but they bypass the
> benefits of  the smell of fertile earth - it can relieve
> <http://www.livescience.com/7270-depressed-play-dirt.html> the symptoms
> of anxiety and clinical depression all day in just 15 minutes. A
> combination of hydroponic and traditional indoor gardening practices will
> provide work for strong young people, the scent of rich earth and reduced
> water usage.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:26 PM Shannon McArthur <
> sparklingwithall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Bruce, you have a good point. I'll make that list (to start!)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Shannon
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM <bruceschuman at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, thanks Shannon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Taking a break from programming data displays for the “Skillset”
>>> poll/inquiry that I sent to you a couple of days ago, let me see if I can
>>> move this along.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just speaking for myself – I actually don’t have time to be confused
>>> about things I am not confused about.  Your project is elegant and
>>> spiritual and profound – but it’s not bewildering different from at least a
>>> thousand somewhat similar projects.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If “Our Heart Gardens” is not exactly the same thing as a “community
>>> garden” – of which there are thousands – what is the difference between
>>> them?  The answer is probably something like “An Our Heart Garden is a type
>>> of community garden”, and it is distinguished by these characteristics:
>>> (you list some characteristics here – and I’d say do that right now – make
>>> the longest list you can think of))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Putting this simply – there has to be an answer to this question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On “the volatile capacity for outreach that you have not encompassed
>>> yet” – I think the answer is – you have to settle down and work on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am saying this with a little bit of push because I have been building
>>> visionary projects led by or with women for at least ten years, and more
>>> like twenty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a beautiful anthropologist friend named Jeanie who could spend
>>> three hours gazing lovingly at her design, without being able to move
>>> forward on it by taking action steps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She was waiting for a miracle.  “The world is going to change.  It will
>>> be like water changing into steam.  It will all be transformed.  We just
>>> have to be patient and let it happen by itself.  It’s evolution!”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She is beautiful and good, and a university-grade scholar – but she was
>>> walking in her sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes I think a huge issue is this primitive distinction – women are
>>> from Venus, men are from Mars – women want to “be” – men want to “do” – and
>>> the proper answer in the real world, based on dynamic yin/yang – as I am
>>> sure many of you have heard – is “do-be-do-be-do-be-do-be-do-be…..”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The world is on fire – and actually, so am I – so I need to push for
>>> concrete action steps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So – you don’t want to talk about “one garden at a time”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok.  But the people who built Notre Dame Cathedral just built one
>>> cathedral at a time – and the people who built YouTube and Facebook and the
>>> Democratic Party just built those things one item or person at a time –
>>> just in a highly organized way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I learned long (long) ago – that action is linear.  It is linearly
>>> sequential – or maybe “massively parallel”.  There’s a famous foundational
>>> book in psychology called “Plans and the Structure of Behaviour”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We build a plan on the basis of what we want to do.  If we don’t
>>> “behave” – we got no action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Beautiful ambitious abstractions have to be made concrete.  You want a
>>> Golden Gate Bridge?  You gotta get some stuff and get organized and do
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, all of that is obvious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Back to linearly sequencing all this stuff I think you guys – you
>>> ChatAction people – actually want to organize and do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> dobedobedobedobedobedobedobedobe….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Schuman
>>>
>>> Santa Barbara CA USA
>>>
>>> bruceschuman at cox.net / 805-705-9174
>>>
>>> www.origin.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Shannon McArthur <sparklingwithall at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 1:23 PM
>>> *To:* Bruce Schuman <bruceschuman at cox.net>
>>> *Cc:* Nirmalan Dhas <mentor at slt.lk>; ChatAction List <
>>> chataction at communitymagic.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Community Gardens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Yes, I am aware...
>>> while not a researcher (more a surfer and appreciator) I have considered
>>> how all these lovely projects could be integrated and what would be needed
>>> when that opportunity arises. I have felt insufficient to the challenge and
>>> am becoming more confident and able with my new associations (UU, HR & you,
>>> All).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The concept of Oh-Gs' network extends to, and perhaps starts in places
>>> already in existence - and I imagine the philosophy of The One we are and
>>> sharing knowledge and wisdom and management methods and funding /economics
>>> weaving the jewels of our communities/gardens closer. The outreach I
>>> imagine best undertaken has a volatile capacity that I haven't encompassed
>>> yet. I imagine the plan will unfold as we get closer to being able to
>>> fulfill the required actions.  We are practicing and gathering acumen...
>>> imho, and if you can see farther than I, please share. While each of us
>>> is enough for our own lifeline, no *one* of us is enough to ground the
>>> multi-faceted future we are destined to share... nor to speak to all of
>>> the wonderful gardeners, tech & finance people, hands-on builders, artists,
>>> educators, philosophers, entertainers and healers, etc., I imagine will be
>>> associated with the flowering of Gaia's gift.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I spent my time cooking, gardening or talking to people in one
>>> garden at a time (though I have done some of that) I could not do what I am
>>> called to. I follow my heart, and trust you do too. We will feel our way
>>> forward, learning how as we go... I imagine...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I love you... thank you!
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:54 AM <bruceschuman at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Shannon, dear All
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder, Shannon – if you have had the time to do some thorough
>>> research on the concept of “community gardens” – and considered how you
>>> could relate to the considerable work and activity that is already going on?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You might start with the Wikipedia article – which does list a lot of
>>> resources:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This article reviews community gardens in the USA and mentions that in
>>> Los Angles country, there are 125 community gardens and in the Denver area
>>> there are over 100:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This website is the official website of the American Community Garden
>>> Association:
>>>
>>> https://www.communitygarden.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I am just wondering – is this a wheel that needs to be (re-)invented
>>> and financed, or a well-established party-in-progress where you would
>>> probably fit in beautifully?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Schuman
>>>
>>> Santa Barbara CA USA
>>>
>>> bruceschuman at cox.net / 805-705-9174
>>>
>>> www.origin.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ChatAction <chataction-bounces at communitymagic.org> *On Behalf
>>> Of *Shannon McArthur via ChatAction
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:04 AM
>>> *To:* Nirmalan Dhas <mentor at slt.lk>; ChatAction List <
>>> chataction at communitymagic.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ChatAction] [ChatPeople] FDR Knew How to Solve Today's
>>> Unemployment Crisis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nirmalan, the article offers the answer to your question: "China built
>>> 12,000 miles of high-speed rail in a decade: credit created on the books of *government-owned
>>> banks*
>>> <https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/chinese-financial-system-elliott-yan.pdf> was
>>> advanced to pay for workers and materials, and the loans were *repaid
>>> with profits*
>>> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704025304575283953879199386> from
>>> passenger fees. "
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is interesting - I wonder if/how this form of banking
>>> could accommodate the financing of establishment of Our Heart Gardens.
>>> Holding the intention of participation in Oh-Gs being free, who would pay?
>>> Personally, I like the idea of tapping the government agencies who provide
>>> services to the participants, and businesses that use the facility to serve
>>> their mandate. I invite all imaginations to play in that field with me...
>>> Perhaps artists who sell the work they create with/in an Oh-G would pay (a
>>> tax or a fee?)... cooks who sell prepared meals (as opposed to those who
>>> serve participants freely) would pay - based on their income from sales -
>>> perhaps...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is an interesting avenue of inquiry. There are *many* avenues down
>>> which I have never ventured and I value your input... This is the fun part!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 6:18 AM Nirmalan Dhas via ChatAction <
>>> chataction at communitymagic.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> …"the country still needs trillions of dollars in infrastructure.
>>> Putting the unemployed to work on those infrastructure projects seems an
>>> obvious solution”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who pays back and how…
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone worked it too a spread sheet….?
>>>
>>> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 02:02, stan at othernetworks.org wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Oops...
>>> >
>>> > Here's the link:
>>> >
>>> https://scheerpost.com/2020/12/17/fdr-knew-exactly-how-to-solve-todays-unemployment-crisis/
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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