[ChatAction] Community Gardens

Sat Dec 26 17:26:24 MST 2020

Yes, Bruce, you have a good point. I'll make that list (to start!)

Thank you,
Shannon

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM <bruceschuman at cox.net> wrote:

> Ok, thanks Shannon.
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> Taking a break from programming data displays for the “Skillset”
> poll/inquiry that I sent to you a couple of days ago, let me see if I can
> move this along.
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> Just speaking for myself – I actually don’t have time to be confused about
> things I am not confused about.  Your project is elegant and spiritual and
> profound – but it’s not bewildering different from at least a thousand
> somewhat similar projects.
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> If “Our Heart Gardens” is not exactly the same thing as a “community
> garden” – of which there are thousands – what is the difference between
> them?  The answer is probably something like “An Our Heart Garden is a type
> of community garden”, and it is distinguished by these characteristics:
> (you list some characteristics here – and I’d say do that right now – make
> the longest list you can think of))
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> Putting this simply – there has to be an answer to this question.
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> On “the volatile capacity for outreach that you have not encompassed yet”
> – I think the answer is – you have to settle down and work on it.
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> I am saying this with a little bit of push because I have been building
> visionary projects led by or with women for at least ten years, and more
> like twenty.
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> I have a beautiful anthropologist friend named Jeanie who could spend
> three hours gazing lovingly at her design, without being able to move
> forward on it by taking action steps.
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> She was waiting for a miracle.  “The world is going to change.  It will be
> like water changing into steam.  It will all be transformed.  We just have
> to be patient and let it happen by itself.  It’s evolution!”
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> She is beautiful and good, and a university-grade scholar – but she was
> walking in her sleep.
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> Sometimes I think a huge issue is this primitive distinction – women are
> from Venus, men are from Mars – women want to “be” – men want to “do” – and
> the proper answer in the real world, based on dynamic yin/yang – as I am
> sure many of you have heard – is “do-be-do-be-do-be-do-be-do-be…..”
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> The world is on fire – and actually, so am I – so I need to push for
> concrete action steps.
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> So – you don’t want to talk about “one garden at a time”
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> Ok.  But the people who built Notre Dame Cathedral just built one
> cathedral at a time – and the people who built YouTube and Facebook and the
> Democratic Party just built those things one item or person at a time –
> just in a highly organized way.
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> I learned long (long) ago – that action is linear.  It is linearly
> sequential – or maybe “massively parallel”.  There’s a famous foundational
> book in psychology called “Plans and the Structure of Behaviour”
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> We build a plan on the basis of what we want to do.  If we don’t “behave”
> – we got no action.
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> Beautiful ambitious abstractions have to be made concrete.  You want a
> Golden Gate Bridge?  You gotta get some stuff and get organized and do
> stuff.
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> Ok, all of that is obvious.
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> Back to linearly sequencing all this stuff I think you guys – you
> ChatAction people – actually want to organize and do.
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> dobedobedobedobedobedobedobedobe….
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> Bruce Schuman
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> Santa Barbara CA USA
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> bruceschuman at cox.net / 805-705-9174
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> www.origin.org
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> *From:* Shannon McArthur <sparklingwithall at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 1:23 PM
> *To:* Bruce Schuman <bruceschuman at cox.net>
> *Cc:* Nirmalan Dhas <mentor at slt.lk>; ChatAction List <
> chataction at communitymagic.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Community Gardens
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> Bruce, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Yes, I am aware...
> while not a researcher (more a surfer and appreciator) I have considered
> how all these lovely projects could be integrated and what would be needed
> when that opportunity arises. I have felt insufficient to the challenge and
> am becoming more confident and able with my new associations (UU, HR & you,
> All).
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> The concept of Oh-Gs' network extends to, and perhaps starts in places
> already in existence - and I imagine the philosophy of The One we are and
> sharing knowledge and wisdom and management methods and funding /economics
> weaving the jewels of our communities/gardens closer. The outreach I
> imagine best undertaken has a volatile capacity that I haven't encompassed
> yet. I imagine the plan will unfold as we get closer to being able to
> fulfill the required actions.  We are practicing and gathering acumen...
> imho, and if you can see farther than I, please share. While each of us
> is enough for our own lifeline, no *one* of us is enough to ground the
> multi-faceted future we are destined to share... nor to speak to all of
> the wonderful gardeners, tech & finance people, hands-on builders, artists,
> educators, philosophers, entertainers and healers, etc., I imagine will be
> associated with the flowering of Gaia's gift.
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> If I spent my time cooking, gardening or talking to people in one
> garden at a time (though I have done some of that) I could not do what I am
> called to. I follow my heart, and trust you do too. We will feel our way
> forward, learning how as we go... I imagine...
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> I love you... thank you!
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> Shannon
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> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:54 AM <bruceschuman at cox.net> wrote:
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> Dear Shannon, dear All
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> I wonder, Shannon – if you have had the time to do some thorough research
> on the concept of “community gardens” – and considered how you could relate
> to the considerable work and activity that is already going on?
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> You might start with the Wikipedia article – which does list a lot of
> resources:
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening
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> This article reviews community gardens in the USA and mentions that in Los
> Angles country, there are 125 community gardens and in the Denver area
> there are over 100:
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening_in_the_United_States
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> This website is the official website of the American Community Garden
> Association:
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> https://www.communitygarden.org/
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> So I am just wondering – is this a wheel that needs to be (re-)invented
> and financed, or a well-established party-in-progress where you would
> probably fit in beautifully?
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> Bruce Schuman
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> Santa Barbara CA USA
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> bruceschuman at cox.net / 805-705-9174
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> www.origin.org
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> *From:* ChatAction <chataction-bounces at communitymagic.org> *On Behalf Of *Shannon
> McArthur via ChatAction
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* Nirmalan Dhas <mentor at slt.lk>; ChatAction List <
> chataction at communitymagic.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ChatAction] [ChatPeople] FDR Knew How to Solve Today's
> Unemployment Crisis
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> Nirmalan, the article offers the answer to your question: "China built
> 12,000 miles of high-speed rail in a decade: credit created on the books of *government-owned
> banks*
> <https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/chinese-financial-system-elliott-yan.pdf> was
> advanced to pay for workers and materials, and the loans were *repaid
> with profits*
> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704025304575283953879199386> from
> passenger fees. "
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> This is interesting - I wonder if/how this form of banking
> could accommodate the financing of establishment of Our Heart Gardens.
> Holding the intention of participation in Oh-Gs being free, who would pay?
> Personally, I like the idea of tapping the government agencies who provide
> services to the participants, and businesses that use the facility to serve
> their mandate. I invite all imaginations to play in that field with me...
> Perhaps artists who sell the work they create with/in an Oh-G would pay (a
> tax or a fee?)... cooks who sell prepared meals (as opposed to those who
> serve participants freely) would pay - based on their income from sales -
> perhaps...
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> This is an interesting avenue of inquiry. There are *many* avenues down
> which I have never ventured and I value your input... This is the fun part!!
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> Love
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> Shannon
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> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 6:18 AM Nirmalan Dhas via ChatAction <
> chataction at communitymagic.org> wrote:
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> …"the country still needs trillions of dollars in infrastructure. Putting
> the unemployed to work on those infrastructure projects seems an obvious
> solution”
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> Who pays back and how…
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> Anyone worked it too a spread sheet….?
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> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 02:02, stan at othernetworks.org wrote:
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> > Oops...
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> > Here's the link:
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> https://scheerpost.com/2020/12/17/fdr-knew-exactly-how-to-solve-todays-unemployment-crisis/
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